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To: WhiskeyPapa
No it wasn't.

Yes Walt. It was I rebutted its points in #474 and those of your subsequent post in #532.

You ignored most of it.

Much to the contrary. I rebutted your posts substance virtually line for line. You have yet to even acknowledge either rebuttal.

The lurkers can make their own decision.

And I invite them to! They will see that you are fibbing about my responses in order to avoid having to address them for yourself.

Everything you say is becoming more and more over the top ridiculous.

You are free to suggest that, Walt, but then again, I'm not the one denying the existence of readily viewable rebuttals on the grounds that I do not like their content.

Tariffs were not a compelling reason for war to the people in the ACW period.

Fibbing about history will not make it go away, Walt. The history of tariffs in the war is documented in detail by posts 474, 572, and elsewhere on this forum. You evidently know this yet since you cannot bring yourself to admit your fraud, you have now taken to denying the existence of those posts! Your entire position, Walt, is absurd. If you doubt that, then by all means invite anyone you like to read this forum and agree with your conclusion that posts 474 and 572 do not exist.

623 posted on 02/01/2003 5:27:29 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
Fibbing about history will not make it go away.

You ignored my reference to Alexander Stephens.

But then you have to.

"The next evil that my friend complained of, was the Tariff. Well, let us look at that for a moment. About the time I commenced noticing public matters, this question was agitating the country almost as fearfully as the Slave question now is. In 1832, when I was in college, South Carolina was ready to nullify or secede from the Union on this account. And what have we seen? The tariff no longer distracts the public councils. Reason has triumphed. The present tariff was voted for by Massachusetts and South Carolina. The lion and the lamb lay down together-- every man in the Senate and House from Massachusetts and South Carolina, I think, voted for it, as did my honorable friend himself. And if it be true, to use the figure of speech of my honorable friend, that every man in the North, that works in iron and brass and wood, has his muscle strengthened by the protection of the government, that stimulant was given by his vote, and I believe every other Southern man. So we ought not to complain of that.

[Mr. Toombs: That tariff lessened the duties.]

[Mr. Stephens:[ Yes, and Massachusetts, with unanimity, voted with the South to lessen them, and they were made just as low as Southern men asked them to be, and those are the rates they are now at. If reason and argument, with experience, produced such changes in the sentiments of Massachusetts from 1832 to 1857, on the subject of the tariff, may not like changes be effected there by the same means, reason and argument, and appeals to patriotism on the present vexed question? And who can say that by 1875 or 1890, Massachusetts may not vote with South Carolina and Georgia upon all those questions that now distract the country and threaten its peace and existence? I believe in the power and efficiency of truth, in the omnipotence of truth, and its ultimate triumph when properly wielded. (Applause.)"

The whole speech:

http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/steph2.html

Walt

625 posted on 02/02/2003 4:35:13 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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