Maybe a source on that can be cited. It's from the "Official Records", Series One, Volume One, "Operations in Charleston Harbor", Chapter One, page 236. See, I, unlike you, can respond to requests for sources. Hmmmmm.....
I asked for a source for the number of rebel troops in Charleston.
I said yesterday that General Scott advised Lincoln that 20,000 troops would be necessary to subdue the rebels in Charelston.
Per "Days of Defiance" by Maury Klien, Scott actually said 5,000 regulars, 20,000 volunteers and six months would be necessary.
Lincoln had no call to provoke war at Charleston, or anywhere else.
Lincoln always held out the hand of conciliation to the rebels. That is partly why he revoked General Fremont's and Butler's emancipation proclamations in 1862.
That is why he told General Grant to "let 'em up easy" regarding the defeated Army of Northern Virginia. --That-- is why he supported offering $400,000,000 in bonds to the rebel states in February, 1865 -- a time when he held all the cards -- . President Lincoln always wanted peace, but he was willing to fight for the principles of representative government and equal rights for all men.
That is why he was bitterly opposed by the rebels, and that is why his memory is attacked today.
Lincoln in 1860.
Walt
I asked for a source for the number of rebel troops in Charleston.My apologies, I thought your request referred to my post that you were responding to. BTW, I'm still waiting for you to respond to my numerous requests for sources. You still haven't. Hmmmmm...As to the number of Confederate troops in Charleston at the time, I didn't make reference to them, but I would suspect your estimate incorrect.
Per "Days of Defiance" by Maury Klien, Scott actually said 5,000 regulars, 20,000 volunteers and six months would be necessary.
That was Scott's opinion, (and it still hasn't been expressed correctly) which was only one of many. It very obviously was NOT the opinion ol' Abe paid attention to. I suppose Abe's barber had an opinion, why don't you post it since it was ignored just like Scott's was. The typical estimates submitted in the various opinions were around 3,000 troops if I remember correctly. Scott's opinion was disregarded, and is a moot point. Fox's suggestion is the one Lincoln embraced.
Lincoln had no call to provoke war at Charleston, or anywhere else.
Sure he did. He admitted it. After they provoked the Confederacy into firing on Fort Sumter he wrote to "Captain" Fox:
"You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter, even if it failed; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. Very truly your friend, A. Lincoln"
Lincoln always held out the hand of conciliation to the rebels. That is partly why he revoked General Fremont's and Butler's emancipation proclamations in 1862.
LOL - You have turned ol Abe into: 'Lincoln, the great enslaver'.
President Lincoln always wanted peace,...
That's not what he said to Fox.
...he was willing to fight for the principles of representative government...
I guess thats why he insisted on a war with those who had exercised the principles of representative government, suspended most rights and created a "Republic pinned together with bayonets", as one of your heroes put it.
...and equal rights for all men.
LOL - Not exactly...there were conditions: "Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this; and if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not....We cannot, then, make them equals." - Abraham Lincoln. He did think they had rights, and that slavery was wrong, but he also thought that they were inferior to whites and should practice their rights someplace far away from white people. As long as it wasn't out west, that is. He wanted that to be strictly lily white for lily white people. The 'great enslaver' (according to you) was also the 'great white seperatist' (according to himself).
That is why he was bitterly opposed by the rebels, and that is why his memory is attacked today.
ROFLMAO. "the precious, the precious". You should remember from our previous dealings on 'The Lincoln' that I went out of my way to be generous and kind to your "precious".
Still avoiding any substantive consideration of the tariff issue, eh Walt? The assertions of you and your sources from the AOL "newsgroup" have been outed as fraudulent. Rebut me if you dare.