Posted on 01/23/2003 6:06:25 PM PST by one2many
Exactly. And these silly little distortionists claim that the Founders took a "once in, always in" view of the compact called the Constitution. What a load from a pack of intellectual chihuahuas.
Neither do your responses.
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men
Only thing worthwhile you've ever said. Can I quote you?
I guess DiLorenzo thinks he is being clever, but it's in any general text on Lincoln or the war that his bedrock position was that slavery not be allowed to into the national territories. That was enough to set off the slave power, and the war came.
So are you saying that Lincoln did not say this in his First Inagural Address? Are you also saying that he designed the Emancipation Proclamation so that it freed slaves everywhere, not just in the South, even though his "bedrock position" was simply that it not be expanded?
Yep, that was ol massa Abe all right, just settin' up in that ol' White house, sipping a cup of tea. The same President that was near the battlefields himself, that sent thousands and thousands of telegrams directing the war, that replaced generals left and right, that ordered the arrests of thousands of 'alleged' traitors, that ordered the closing of hundreds of newspapers, &C, &C, didn't know what his cabinet members were doing?
ROTFLMAO! I knew you left of the sarcasm tag right?
Refute it if you can. Unlike you, I don't consider Lincoln to be a god, simply a man. And being a man, he had failures, made mistakes, was wrong at times. All you have to do is simply accept that truth, and then you could stop making excuses for him. As President, Lincoln was responsible for everything - the buck stopped with him.
You have yet to prove that anything posted by me was a lie, or that Supreme Court Justice Campbell lied - you are resorting to your usual tactics of resorting to insults at the drop of a hat, when you are unable to accept the fact that Lincoln wasn't a god, and that someone has used Lincoln's own words, or other sources to refute your ludicrous assertions and inane posts.
ROTFLMAO! You're killing me!
Even when I repeatedly post that Grier et al held that the issue of legal secession was being decided "by wager of battle", he still posts his diatribes.
"Why are you crying, Walter?"
"Lew Rockwell tell truth of us. DiLorenzo tell truth of the Lincoln. Our...precious!"
"Of course he did, I told you he would."
"But so bright, so perfect, our Lincoln must be."
"But they wants the Lincoln. Lew Rockwell. Our precious they take to destroy him"
"No! Wants they must not. They is our friend."
"But wants it they do. To destroy...our precious!"
"But we wants it, we needs it...for our union. For the union the Lincoln we must have."
"Yes, but they not destroy the union."
"Destroy the precious he shall and the union with it. The Lincoln. The union...our precious!"
"But no! We swear not to lie of the Lincoln. We swear it on.... on the Lincoln!"
"DiLorenzo hurts the Lincoln, DiLorenzo betrays the Lincoln. On DiLorenzo, spread lies we should."
"No, no, too risky...unless...we let Claremont do it... yes..."
"Yes, Claremont could do it for us. Claremont could for our precious, our Lincoln!"
"Yeeesss! Claremont...Walt sad no more, we post Claremont for our lies, our Lincoln...preeciousss!...Swimming in pool is nice and cool. To catch a fish..."
Assumptions sometimes prove to be wrong and when you act under assumptions you take that risk. Nothing you have posted shows that Seward was speaking for Lincoln or accurately relaying Lincolns intentions. Seward was acting on his own and any misunderstandings between him and Justice Campbell are Sewards fault.
Here is Bruce Catton's account:
"A special messenger, said Lincoln, was going down to give Governor Pickens due notice, and to tell him that no troops would be landed if the delivery of the provisions be not opposed; the messenger, said the president, would reach Charlston long before Fox could get there...Table stakes in other words. Sending the outrider down to Governor Pickens, Lincoln was shooting the works. He was not forcing a war, but he was serving notice that he would fight rather than back down; more, he was setting the stage in such a way that Jefferson Davis, if he in his turn preferred to fight rather than to back down, would have to shoot first.
...On April 8 a War Department clerk named Robert S. Chew showed up in Charleston bearing instructions writen by President Lincoln which read thus:"You will proceed directly to Charleston, South Carolina; and if, on your arrival there, the flag of the United States shall be flying over over Fort Sumter, and the Fort shall not have been attacked, you will procure an interview with Governor Pickens, and read to him as follows:"I am directed by the president of the United States to notify you to expect an attempt will be made to supply Fort Sumter with provisions only; and that, if such attempt be not resisted, no effort to throw in men, arms or ammunition will be made without further notice, or in case of attack upon the fort.
Chew delivered his message that evening".
--"The Coming Fury" pp. 299-303 by Bruce Catton
You lied. You got caught.
Walt
Only thing worthwhile you've ever said. Can I quote you?
That quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln.
Walt
Your interpretation of the issues is confused.
As I said before, it's not my interpretation, it's the U.S. attorney's.
The Court agreed unanimously that secession was outside the law. What else would you expect from Taney? He was appointed by Andrew Jackson.
Walt
If so, then DiLorenzo should have a high approval rating from ol' ape.
The confederacy was formed to protect and expand slavery, which is tyranny in its purest form.
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