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To: UCANSEE2
Would you let me know if you run across what questions he failed?...he keeps saying he failed 2 questions and not one person says..no, you failed all of them or anything....just curious what the real results were..besides what Redden tells us it is.
253 posted on 01/09/2003 2:01:29 PM PST by Rheo
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To: Rheo
No one on the 'other side' will ever beleive they are still being fed crap by the media. Whatever the SDUT tells them the truth is, they automatically accept because it supports their beliefs.

Does this make them bad people? NO.

I remember back near the beginning of the case, when constant rumors were flying from all sources about the VD's, their friends, etc. Many of us made the same mistake. Because it supported our thoughts/theories, we were awfully quick to assume it was true, instead of realizing it may have all been to sell ad space.

It is much easier for us humans to see faults when they are someone elses. It is hard when it is our own.

254 posted on 01/09/2003 2:12:51 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Rheo
From the article I posted last night - I think it's around # 180 - 190 on this thread.

"Regarding the disappearance of Danielle van Dam, are you yourself in any way responsible for her missing?" Redden asked pointedly in the Feb. 4 interview.

"No," Westerfield said.

"Regarding the disappearance of Danielle van Dam, do you know for sure who is responsible for her missing?" Redden asked.

"No," Westerfield responded.

"Regarding the disappearance of Danielle van Dam, do you know her whereabouts at this time?" Redden asked.

"No," Westerfield said.

"Regarding the disappearance of Danielle van Dam, do you suspect anyone in particular of being responsible for her missing?" Redden asked.

"No," said Westerfield.

"Regarding whether or not you yourself are involved in the disappearance of Danielle van Dam, did you intend to answer truthfully each question about that?" Redden asked.

"Yes," Westerfield said.

On the tapes, officers remark that there "was a 100 percent probability of deception" by Westerfield regarding the questions about the missing child.

After Redden informs Westerfield of his failure, the since convicted murdered said he felt the test was "flawed in some way."

He told the investigator that he didn't understand how the test worked or why he failed.

"What I think I can mark it up to is empathy, something like that," he said. "That's what I'm thinking."

NOTE:
"On the tapes, officers remark that there "was a 100 percent probability of deception" by Westerfield regarding the questions about the missing child."

...regarding the questions about the missing child...


256 posted on 01/09/2003 2:13:53 PM PST by EllaMinnow (There's a fine line between open-minded and empty-headed.)
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To: Rheo
The four tests were given one after the other.

The term polygraph, singular, evidently refers to the one session where however many tests are given. There is no question or doubt that this is what happened and DW was informed every step of the way of how the tests would be conducted.

I listened to the tape last night--and will hear the rest today--and Redden explicitly explains to DW the whole process including that he gives a minimum of two tests and that he averages three. He ended up giving four to DW and telling him at the conclusion that he had failed all four times.

It may be useful for interrogation purposes to falsely tell a suspect that they failed a test, but Feldman could have had his own expert review the test(s) and draw their own conclusions, once he was hired. It is well past the time that a lie about failing the tests would not have been disputed.

257 posted on 01/09/2003 2:23:48 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Rheo
I don't know if they will EVER tell us what questions he failed. I don't know if there is any way to prove whether he failed or not. It is a KNOWN police technique to tell a suspect he failed (i.e. for the LE to knowingly LIE in pursuit of a case) to see if the suspect will fess up.

That may be the situation in this case. Since it can not be proven one way or another, the media has chosen to carry the information as it is, without question. Were the SDPD and Redden in particular to admit that they were using that technique, and that DW didn't really fail, would not be of any newsworthy interest, and would not support the idea that he is guilty.

Just the fact that there is a question over how many tests he was administered, and the way Redden describes the failure, makes it appear as if this is the technique that was being used.

In the parts of the first PG exam I heard yesterday, I did not notice any stress or change in the way his answers sounded from question to question. I know this is not the true test, and that the heart rate,BP,perspiration rate, etc. are the factors used to evaluate.

BTW, the reason that 'the other side' gets SOOOOOOO MAD is that each of these things (prepared for sheeple consumption) is SOO OBVIOUS to them, they are SO READY to ACCEPT anything that even remotely sounds like proof to them, that they just can't see why WE don't immediately eat it up like they do.

that is what makes them mad.

259 posted on 01/09/2003 2:26:22 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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