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The Guild 12-18-2002 Missing Elf!

Posted on 12/18/2002 6:43:53 AM PST by BigWaveBetty

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To: Endeavor; Hillary's Lovely Legs
I saw some of those WTC architectural proposals on TV, and didn't care for any of them - a little too "out there." Forgive me for sounding like Prince Charles complaining about buildings that look like carbuncles! LOL. A poll at the SF Chronicle indicates this one is the most popular so far:

Jersey sheets are comfy cozy, I agree! Living in an old, drafty house, we've taken a different approach to avoiding nighttime frostbite, however, and that's a heated mattress pad (like an electric blanket, except it's underneath instead of on top).

41 posted on 12/18/2002 5:51:22 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Is that an office building for clear people?
42 posted on 12/18/2002 5:57:46 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: mountaineer
Of course, that one is one of my least favorite of the seven. One of them (don't ask me which one - half the time the slides in each group don't come up) has a dome which looks like a rounded cathedral -- that was the closest thing to "Old World" that any of them got.

I do think Prince Charles should head up one of the design teams - he appreciates the importance of classic architecture.

I like the Foster Group's design.

43 posted on 12/18/2002 5:59:20 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: All
Another corporate accounting scandal (Conseco) and resultant bankruptcy, so out of curiosity I have checked campaign contributions. Former Conseco CEO Bruce Crittenden gave $2500 to a Democrat PAC, Americans for Responsible Leadership, and smaller amounts to individual candidates; none, apparently, to the Clintoons.
44 posted on 12/18/2002 6:00:42 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
"Is that an office building for clear people?"

racist ;>)

45 posted on 12/18/2002 6:02:47 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor; Hillary's Lovely Legs
Would clear people look like jellyfish?

But I digress. Not only did Spike Lee say Lott was a card-carrying KKK member (not to be confused with Robert C. Byrd, a former card-carrying member of the KKK), but he added these delectable nuggets of wisdom:

Lee says he's not surprised that President Bush hasn't called for Lott's resignation outright. But he expressed disappointment at the lack of criticism from other political figures.

"I think there's only one member of the Senate who has really said, `Look, you gotta go.' I haven't heard a peep out of Hillary Clinton. What is she saying? She hasn't called for his ouster. Miss Condoleezza Rice ain't said s---. Colin Powell ain't said s---, because they're on the team. They're on Bush's team. They're the good Negroes!" source

Is he calling Hillary a good negro on Bush's team? Do these people even hear what they're saying?

46 posted on 12/18/2002 6:07:02 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
I don't know where you guys are at on the Lott issue, but one of my heroines, Peggy Noonan is on H&C right now defending integrity against both H & C. Her article of last Friday sums up my feelings about Mr. Lott and his future.

And, Ann Coulter, in her column of today, also points out the hypocrisy of the Dems:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=186

I don't agree with Ann's position on Lott - she thinks he should stay as ML. But I do think she makes some good points in this article.

47 posted on 12/18/2002 6:23:10 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor
I can't be a racist, I AM clear people.
48 posted on 12/18/2002 6:32:31 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Endeavor
How much am I barfing? Lanny Davis on Hannity and Colmes saying that Joe Lieberman should run for president because he will be able to beat Bush.

Of course he is on to trash Trent Lott as well.

So I have a question..... If saying that Strom Thurmond should be president is a racist thing to say, and Strom Thurmond is a seperatist and racist, does that make all the people of North Carolina who vote for him a racist as well?
49 posted on 12/18/2002 6:34:35 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
South Carolina. And actually, Strom Thurmond allegedly renounced his segregationist past. And no, that doesn't make everybody who voted for him in recent years, racists.
50 posted on 12/18/2002 6:40:03 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
David Horowitz is on now. I love him. I'm reading his book, "How To Beat The Democrats."
51 posted on 12/18/2002 6:42:19 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor
I was using Democrat Logic. :)
52 posted on 12/18/2002 6:44:19 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Using Dem logic? Isn't that an oxymoron? (Don't use dem logic - it confuses me.)
53 posted on 12/18/2002 6:47:59 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor; Hillary's Lovely Legs; BigWaveBetty; lodwick; All
A new guy is sniffing around Iowa, considering the Caucus Dance.
By THOMAS BEAUMONT
Register Staff Writer
12/19/2002

In a race now wide open with the departure of former Vice President Al Gore, retired Gen. Wesley Clark has made some preliminary steps toward an Iowa caucus bid.

Associates of Clark, the former NATO supreme commander who appears frequently as a commentator on CNN, have been calling Iowa Democrats with campaign experience to set up meetings and make contacts with influential party insiders.

Clark, who could offer the Democrats a fresh face and a credible voice on the issues of war and terrorism, said Wednesday the contacts were not about gauging his potential as a presidential candidate in the state that kicks off the race for the White House.

"It's not surprising that people are talking to me about this," Clark, 57, said in an interview with The Des Moines Register. "But in terms of considering it or working it or intent, the answer is 'no.' What I'm doing is I'm speaking out, hoping to get engaged in a dialogue to encourage Americans to look at their world and their role in it."

There are signs, however, that lead political insiders to suspect Clark may be giving more thought to running than he lets on:

* Clark, who played a major role in the Dayton peace accords to end the war in Yugoslavia, campaigned for Democratic congressional candidates in New Hampshire this fall, the site of the nation's first presidential primary.

* His top aide now is Mark Nichols, a member of then-Vice President Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign team.

(snip)http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4789004/20029892.html
54 posted on 12/19/2002 4:32:49 AM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny
What I'm doing is I'm speaking out, hoping to get engaged in a dialogue to encourage Americans to look at their world and their role in it

Dems seem to think we're all too stupid and helpless to "look at our world" without their guidance and direction (to show us exactly how to look at it, and what to think about it).

55 posted on 12/19/2002 5:28:35 AM PST by mountaineer
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Blah, blah, blah. Skull and Bones, secret club, something sinister about it all ...

Never mind President Bush's cowboy boots and Texas twang. This 1968 Yale graduate is such a creature of the Establishment, says author Alexandra Robbins, that he hires from a talent pool supplied by Skull and Bones -- the secret society to which Dubya and his dad, the first president George Bush, remain fiercely loyal.

Robbins ... told us that William H. Donaldson, the new nominee to chair the Securities and Exchange Commission, is merely the latest in a long line of Bush administration Bonesmen. They include Assistant Attorney General Robert McCallum and Ambassador to Trinidad and Tobago Roy Austin -- both classmates of Bush as well as Bones brothers -- and Edward McNally, general counsel to the Office of Homeland Security. ...

"President Bush likes to feign detachment from Yale and the Northeastern Establishment, but they really did shape his life," explained Robbins, herself a 1998 Yale graduate and a member of a rival senior society, Scroll and Key. "And he's actually following one of the key tenets of Skull and Bones -- which is that once you get into a position of power, you bring other members up with you. The whole purpose of Skull and Bones is to elevate its members to power and wealth. I think if people across the country were to read my book, they'd be quite dismayed that their president is a member of a secret society and that he has some sort of allegiance to this secret group."

Trilateral Commission, anyone? WashPost

Anyone here feeling dismayed?

56 posted on 12/19/2002 5:41:03 AM PST by mountaineer
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More tidbits before I have to get some work done:

WHICH Hall of Fame baseball hero cooperated with a best-selling biography only because the author promised to keep it secret that he is gay? The author kept her word, but big mouths at the publishing house can't keep from flapping. Page Six

And this from Liz Smith:

Sen. Hillary Clinton's being named to head the Democratic Steering Committee of the Senate, a post being vacated by Massachusetts' John Kerry, is a very big deal - coming, as it does, on the heels of the GOP's Trent Lott debacle. It's making waves because Sen. Clinton has been in the Senate for only two years and there are others with much more seniority. But after being unable to seem to do anything right for months on end, the Democrats aren't taking any chances. They believe Hillary's smarts, her savvy and her connections will stand them in good stead while the "steerers" set up a strategic organization role inside the Senate, deciding on policy, messages and strategy.

Minority Leader Tom Daschle wanted Hillary in this important spot and, of course, he got his way. (Many believe that by mid-January, Daschle will announce that he is going to run for president in 2004. He is said to be weary of working in the Senate.)

And here's Democratic inside stuff on Al Gore's decision to step out. They think he may well try again in 2008. They say he realized that people who go for the presidency twice in succession always lose and that he'll take a leaf from the book of Nixon who avoided that and lived to fight and win another day.

.... (T)he Cheneys are ready to more or less pack it in. Lynne, in particular, feels she is living in a nightmare. She has had it. And Dick Cheney can easily be named an Ambassador at Large by the president if the veep does not join the 2004 ticket.

So who will George W. Bush select? Many think he has already decided on Condoleeza Rice, the National Security Adviser, to be his running mate. "It would be a Karl Rove Special," says one observer, "to put Condi in this spot. Her profile right now is huge; she has just been on the cover of Newsweek and she is all over the Bob Woodward book at Rove's doing. She would go a long way toward changing African-American hard feelings exacerbated by Sen. Lott's foolishness. She would be the GOP's secret weapon for mending that racism fence for good. And, anyway, Mary Matalin's departure from Cheney's staff is a real good indication that the veep is going to step aside for 2004."

The only cavil I hear about Condi as veep comes from those who know her well and feel she isn't the type to campaign. She doesn't go out; she isn't social; she isn't political; she isn't married; she's enigmatic. Nevertheless, Karl Rove could use her judiciously in a low-key manner for African-American and feminist votes.

57 posted on 12/19/2002 5:53:49 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Anyone here feeling dismayed?

I'm feeling dismayed that the WashPost would print such garbage.

Wait... what am I saying? Silly me, I keep thinking they're an actual news source and forget they're just a liberal mouthpiece.

58 posted on 12/19/2002 5:55:08 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: Iowa Granny
After reading the story of Clark in Iowa the first thought I had was Clark is either going to run with John Kerry or be one of his picks for a cabinet postion.

I have no idea why, except that since JFK was a dercorated service man and has been saying that GWB is handling the war incorrectly, who better than a general to be your VP running mate.

59 posted on 12/19/2002 6:02:23 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty
Good point. Kerry-Clark could point to all their medals as "proof" they know better than Bush how to manage the war.
60 posted on 12/19/2002 6:06:12 AM PST by mountaineer
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