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[ Daily Tolkien / Lord Of The Rings] Men Are From Gondor, Women Are From Lothlórien
GREEN BOOKS – The One Ring ^ | 11-10-99 | Anwyn

Posted on 11/21/2002 10:02:34 AM PST by JameRetief

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1 posted on 11/21/2002 10:02:35 AM PST by JameRetief
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To: maquiladora; ecurbh; HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom; Maigret; ksen
Your Daily Tolkien Ping!

Coming from many sources, these articles cover many aspects of Tolkien and his literary works. If anyone would like for me to ping them directly when I post articles such as this let me know. Enjoy!

2 posted on 11/21/2002 10:04:23 AM PST by JameRetief
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To: All
The Daily Tolkien articles:

1) Who was Tom Bombodil? by Gene Hargrove

2) Celeborn Unplugged by Michael Martinez

3) Speaking of Legolas... by Michael Martinez

4) A Bit of Light: Visions and Transformations of the Ring Quest by Cara J. Loup

5) Them Dwarves, Them Dwarves! - Part One and Two by Michael Martinez

6) Something wicked this way comes by Michael Martinez

7) Men Are From Gondor, Women Are From Lothlórien by Anwyn

3 posted on 11/21/2002 10:05:41 AM PST by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
Why do only MEN get to go on the Quest and be in the Fellowship??

Darlin', I spend my life surrounded by Orcs. I don't need to go actively hunting them out.

And besides, I'm too busy at home shaving my feet ;-)

Happygal (of Hobbiton)

4 posted on 11/21/2002 10:07:01 AM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal; JameRetief
I agree, Happygal...

The point is, it’s easy to see why Tolkien could come across as having a dislike of women.

Her statement there is pure bull pucky. The women in the story are either beautiful, powerful, or both, and all have virtue and grace. LoTR is a lot of things, but it spends much of it time being a grand war epic. That is the realm of the male. Chicks in the 40's when Tolkien was writing, did not go to war. And yet, in his story he creates one who bravely did just that.

Only a very shallow person could find dislike of women in this story.

Miss HairOfTheDog....

5 posted on 11/21/2002 10:40:55 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
The author is not saying that Tolkien dislikes women, only that some people have mistakenly concluded that he has. I thought the author of this piece did well at deconstructing the idea that Tolkien didn't like women.
6 posted on 11/21/2002 10:49:18 AM PST by JameRetief
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To: Happygal; HairOfTheDog
Dear Irish,

May I suggest shaving a little higher there?

Oh boy, now I've torn it...

Your friend,
Orc, er, I mean, Argh


Hi, Hair!

7 posted on 11/21/2002 11:00:12 AM PST by Argh
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To: JameRetief
Did I flame her too soon? - She ticked me off with the statement that it would be easy to see how Tolkien dislikes women.... I stopped reading!

-HairTriggerTheDog
8 posted on 11/21/2002 11:51:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Argh
Foot shaving is a very sensitive subject for a hobbit lass Argh! Not all do, and those that do shave their feet are sometimes shunned... "Uncle Proudfoots" they are called.

I for one, have mixed feelings about it. I think my furry hobbit feet are kinda cute!
9 posted on 11/21/2002 11:54:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'll bet they're just simply adorable, Miss Hair!
10 posted on 11/21/2002 11:59:46 AM PST by Argh
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To: HairOfTheDog
Did I flame her too soon? - She ticked me off with the statement that it would be easy to see how Tolkien dislikes women.... I stopped reading!

LOL, yeah, way too soon. The author went on to say great things about Tolkien's views on women. An example:

It’s all in what you choose, and Tolkien knew this. His women are as varied in their paths of destiny as they are in their looks and height. The fact that there are so few of them is a result of how Tolkien himself views women: as special.

11 posted on 11/21/2002 12:17:24 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
If I remember correctly, Galadriel committed disobedience by leaving for middle earth in the Simarillion; she was granted the favour to return to the West due to her heroics in fighting Sauron in the time of the LOTR. And they are married, since Celeborn is called her consort. Arwen is her granddaughter.
12 posted on 11/21/2002 4:27:34 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Argh; MadIvan; HairOfTheDog
Argh, can I ask you a question?
Do you go out in search of gold rings, just so you can put them on women's fingers and make them disappear? Huh? Do ye, huh? ;-)
13 posted on 11/21/2002 4:49:35 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Argh does like to hassle the wimmin-folk...
14 posted on 11/21/2002 4:58:43 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Happygal
Hahahahah, you're priceless, Irish!!
15 posted on 11/21/2002 5:25:04 PM PST by Argh
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To: 2Jedismom; Alkhin; Anitius Severinus Boethius; AUsome Joy; austinTparty; Bear_in_RoseBear; ...

Ring Ping!!

16 posted on 11/21/2002 6:47:15 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm not so sure...having been an elf from Lothlorien so recently...I'm feeling a bit unsure of myself here.

My wife is having no such problem with the Lothlorien part though.

17 posted on 11/21/2002 7:31:03 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: JameRetief
Thanks for posting all these articles even for those of us who don't usually have time to post!

"I completely forgot about both Goldberry and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins. !!! Well, a friend pointed out Lobelia a few days ago, but to tell the truth, I didn't mind forgetting her, the old bat"

Well I was remembering Lobelia while reading all through this article. Lobelia, an old bat she may be, but she was one of the very few to stand up to Saruman's men though it cost her prison time. I lift my glass to Lobelia, an old bat with backbone!
18 posted on 11/21/2002 7:53:30 PM PST by Varda
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To: Varda
SHE LEFT OFF ONE OTHER IMPORTANT FEMALE!!!

A Day in the Life of the Dark Lordess

Updates coming after Thanksgiving!

Have also been trying to finish up my fanfiction, which centers on Pippin and Aragorn (no its not slash!!!). I am still about two chapters away from finishing, but Im close!

The Falling of Small Stones At FanFiction.net (for now)

Excerpt:Perhaps it was the shadows of the hall that had made him seem so glum, Aragorn thought, as they finally settled on a bench in the kitchen of what was to be his home.

“Do you know, it does my heart good to know that the fellowship we had remains in the city,” Aragorn ventured, speaking around a mouthful of fresh baked bread. “If I had seen an elf take gardening advice from a hobbit anywhere else, I would have thought I had crossed the seas into a different world.”

Pippin forsook table manners as well, leaning back in the large chair to prop his feet upon the seat of another, gaining full advantage of the moment of leisure.

“What surprises me,” the hobbit rejoined, “is that we are together at all. I feel as a small pebble that had bounced just the right way into the right path, knocking just the right boulder into motion.”

And setting off an avalance, Aragorn finished to himself.

“Well, you must remember what Galadriel spoke to us, how perilously close we were to falling to the wayside,” Aragorn replied, not at all taken aback by the directness with which Pippin faced the conversation.

Pippin’s gaze turned sharp, almost rueful.

“Do you think it was mere circumstance then?”

Aragorn took a deep breath. What was bothering this otherwise unquenchable hobbit?

“I mean,” the hobbit stammered, taking the puzzled look on the King’s face for amusement at his expense. Reflex. “I mean, all of this. That you became king, that we defended Gondor, that Frodo made it to the Crack of Doom, that Gollum, that horrid creature, actually fell in…”

Ah.

“Was it prophecy? Or was it chance? Only the Valar know,” Aragorn cast out the most obvious reply, mind racing to discover which way the hobbit’s thoughts were flowing.

19 posted on 11/21/2002 8:17:52 PM PST by Alkhin
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To: Argh
Hahahahah, you're priceless, Irish!!

Oh I dunno! *L* I can be bought. But I don't come cheap ;-) *LOL*

20 posted on 11/21/2002 8:23:09 PM PST by Happygal
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