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To: WhiskeyPapa
Secession cannot be a reserved power because the Constitutition delegates to the Congress the power to provide for the common defense and general welfare. Unialteral state secession would be inimical to those interests.

How does secession constitute an attack? The states delegated to the federal government certain powers, among them to provide for the common defense - meaning ALL states. If the Executive is charged with the common defense of the states - and held that the seceding states were still states - then he violated the Constitution (besides exercising non-delegated judicial powers) by not protecting them from invasion from the federal government. The federal government has no authority over Cuba, Canada or Mexico, nor over a seceded state.

Besides, no act, ordinance, resolution or statement of secession can have validity in law because it is a "thing" in the laws of a state that the Constitution clearly states cannot withstand the powers of the federal government.

You write some of the most idiotic statements. See Article IV. The Constitutution explicitly requires that "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State."

1,425 posted on 12/04/2002 9:16:53 PM PST by 4CJ
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
How does secession constitute an attack? The states delegated to the federal government certain powers, among them to provide for the common defense - meaning ALL states. If the Executive is charged with the common defense of the states - and held that the seceding states were still states - then he violated the Constitution (besides exercising non-delegated judicial powers) by not protecting them from invasion from the federal government.

Not according to the Supreme Court. See the Prize Cases

Oh wait. You've seen the Prize Cases

Walt

1,463 posted on 12/07/2002 5:02:30 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
How does secession constitute an attack?

"Again, if one state may secede, so may another; and then when all shall have seceded, none is left to pay the debts. Is this quite just to creditors? Did we notify them of this sage view of ours when we borrowed their money? If we now recognize this doctrine, by allowing the seceders to go in peace, it is difficult to see what we can do, if others choose to go, or to extort terms terms upon which they will promise to remain... "

A. Lincoln, 7/4/61

Secession was definitely an attack on the United States.

At least that is what a majority of Americans thought in 1861.

I mean after all, Lincoln's call for volunteers in April had been met to overflowing; the Congress supplied $400 million right away and much more later.

Even when Union war dead exceeded rebel war dead by a considerable margin, the people kept faith with the Lincoln administration.

Even while rebel armies were riven by destertion, Union armies were maintained by voluntary reenlistments.

What you are pushing, as usual, is just so much bunkum and bosh.

Walt

1,486 posted on 12/08/2002 7:34:26 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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