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This Is My Opus: "john in missouri" Says Farewell to Free Republic.
vanity (john in missouri) | 11/5/02 | john in missouri

Posted on 11/05/2002 1:37:01 PM PST by john in missouri

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To: Always Right
That's too funny considering the bottom 50% pay virtually no federal income tax. As usuall your perspective is warped.

The vast majority of the working people I am referring to are in the TOP 50%.

101 posted on 11/06/2002 6:15:33 AM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Sam Cree
You are a believer in progressive taxing?

Absolutetly.

102 posted on 11/06/2002 6:18:05 AM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
"Absolutely."

I wouldn't mind if you elaborate a little. I disagree with you here, since I see progressive taxation as a method of redistribution of wealth, basically a form of egalitarianism

BTW, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is one of my favorite movies.

How are you the most "conservative" member of FR?

103 posted on 11/06/2002 6:42:22 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree

Do you believe Ken Lay should pay the same percentage in taxes than you?

BTW, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is one of my favorite movies.

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly IS my favorite movies.

How are you the most "conservative" member of FR?

For starters: Want REAL tax relief form the workers ($30,000 - $200,000).

Want our borders fully protected (Terrorists and illegals).

Will oppose any politician (Rep or Dem) if I feel the politician is corrupt or not working in the interests of the people and country.

104 posted on 11/06/2002 7:04:51 AM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
I think Ken Lay should be in jail

But, yes, I think people with his kind of wealth should pay the same percentage of their income in taxes as I do, since their percentages would amount to vastly greater sums of money than mine and since I do not believe in "redistributive" governmental policy.

Agree with you on the borders, but don't see the other 2 issues as particularly conservative.

I enjoy all three characters in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly."
105 posted on 11/06/2002 7:22:25 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Tuco-bad
For starters: Want REAL tax relief form the workers ($30,000 - $200,000).

Don't have the latest numbers, but here are the 1998 income levels at each point and the percentage of the total federal income taxes they account for:

Top 1 %............$269,496......34.75 %
Top 5 %.............$114,729.....53.84 %
Top 10 %.............$83,220......65.04 %
Top 25 %.............$50,607......82.69 %
Top 50 %.............$25,491......95.79 %

So, what you are saying is that you favor a tax cut for everyone but the top 2% or so? By your brilliant plan, you would have to raise their taxes to more than 90% to pay for it. That was tried before in the late 50's and early 70's to disasterous results. Even JFK realized such communistic tax system is doomed to failure.

106 posted on 11/06/2002 10:36:43 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Sam Cree
How are you the most "conservative" member of FR?

He is a liberal who worships Al Gore and thinks Katherine Harris is the most evil person on the planet. Like many liberals, truthfulness is not his best suit.

107 posted on 11/06/2002 10:39:30 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
what you are saying is that you favor a tax cut for everyone but the top 2%

I favor a fair tax cut for everyone in the top 50%.

108 posted on 11/06/2002 10:50:18 AM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Always Right
He is a liberal who worships Al Gore and thinks Katherine Harris is the most evil person on the planet. Like many liberals, truthfulness is not his best suit.

Never supported Gore.

Can you find a more evil person than Empress Harris (other than Jane Fonda).

109 posted on 11/06/2002 10:52:55 AM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
Can you find a more evil person than Empress Harris (other than Jane Fonda).

Don't know any Empress Harris. I do know the classy intelligent nice-looking babe named Katherine Harris who just won her Congressional race.

110 posted on 11/06/2002 10:58:32 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Tuco-bad
I favor a fair tax cut for everyone in the top 50%.

So you must have loved Bush's tax cut which cut taxes for everyone in the top 50% in roughly the proportion to the amount they paid. Nothing could be more fair than that.

111 posted on 11/06/2002 11:00:43 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
I do know the classy intelligent nice-looking babe named Katherine Harris who just won her Congressional race.

"nice-looking babe" did Empress Harris get the second part of her plastic surgery?

Back in 2000 it seemed they did the right side, but not the left side of her face.

Hey - no flames, you did say she was "nice looking".

112 posted on 11/06/2002 11:24:19 AM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Always Right
So you must have loved Bush's tax cut which cut taxes for everyone in the top 50% in roughly the proportion to the amount they paid. Nothing could be more fair than that.

Bush gave the wealthy a higher % cut than the working people.

Nothing could be more unfairer than that.

113 posted on 11/06/2002 11:31:19 AM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
Bush gave the wealthy a higher % cut than the working people. Nothing could be more unfairer than that.

Not true at all.

DISTRIBUTIONAL EFFECT OF VARIOUS PROVISIONS
IN THE BUSH TAX PLAN 1
Calendar Year 2005


Change in Federal Taxes

INCOME CATEGORY

Millions

Percent

Less than $10,000

-$78

-1.0%

$10,000 to $20,000

-$1,672

-6.2%

$20,000 to $30,000

-$4,104

-6.1%

$30,000 to $40,000

-$6,492

-6.2%

$40,000 to $50,000

-$7,973

-6.7%

$50,000 to $75,000

-$20,647

-6.4%

$75,000 to $100,000

-$17,897

-6.1%

$100,000 to $200,000

-$28,970

-5.8%

$200,000 and over

-$32,245

-5.9%


TOTAL, ALL TAXPAYERS

$120,079

-6.1%

1 Includes a phased-in increase in the child credit, reduction
in individual marginal rates, the creation of a 10% bracket, a second
earner deduction, and a charitable deduction for non-itemizers.

Source: Joint Committe on Taxation, May 2, 2000

Other distribution analyses of Bush plan:

-Who bears the tax burden vs. who gets the tax cuts

-Income distribution and size of average tax cuts

Bush's tax plan does EXACTLY what you say you want. So really you must love Bush's tax plan now that I have shown you the light, and must alos love the lovely Katherine Harris too for making it all possible! Well, unless you are not being truthful to us....

114 posted on 11/06/2002 12:00:41 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
$200,000 and over -$32,245 -5.9%

Now how much change in federal taxes for those earning $1,000,000 or more, and those earning $100,000,000 or more?

115 posted on 11/06/2002 12:35:56 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
Now how much change in federal taxes for those earning $1,000,000 or more, and those earning $100,000,000 or more?

Well probably not much. The numbers from $10K to $200K were pretty damn flat and the number for over $200K doesn't indicate there would be a change. You are reaching to deny that this is EXACTLY what you say you stand for. Face it, the Bush/Harris Tax Cut is the Tuco-bad tax cut. Oh, the irony.

116 posted on 11/06/2002 12:43:59 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
The numbers from $10K to $200K were pretty damn flat and the number for over $200K doesn't indicate there would be a change.

Not true.

Oh BTW - ever hear about the AMT, what Bush gives the working people, he takes from the working people?

Oh BTW - ever hear of the increase in payroll taxes, what Bush gives the working people, he takes from the working people?

And I won't bother mentioning increases in excies taxes (i.e., telephone, air travel, etc.)?

Yes, let's give the rich EVERYTHING, as they create jobs for us (i.e., outsourcing to India, Russia, etc.).

117 posted on 11/06/2002 1:53:47 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
Not true.

Hard to argue when all you just deny an obvious fact.

Oh BTW - ever hear about the AMT, what Bush gives the working people, he takes from the working people?

Bush's tax plan had nothing to do with the AMT. Clinton however did stop the indexing of the AMT exemption which causes more and more people to be effected by this stupid tax.

Oh BTW - ever hear of the increase in payroll taxes, what Bush gives the working people, he takes from the working people?

I assume you are just talking about Social Security and medicare taxes, which the Bush plan did nothing to. Payroll taxes also include Federal Income Tax withholdings, which Bush did lower. Again you have no point.

And I won't bother mentioning increases in excies taxes (i.e., telephone, air travel, etc.)?

Bush's tax plan had nothing to do with these either. Just face it, Tuco-Bad loves Bush's tax cut. You are in denial, I know. Yes, let's give the rich EVERYTHING, as they create jobs for us (i.e., outsourcing to India, Russia, etc.).

Again, as the table clearly showed the tax cut was fairly flat across the board for all incomes (in fact it slightly favored the $50K-200K people you seem so concerned about). You haven't made a point, but I didn't really expect you would. I'll give you Katherine Harris's e-mail address if you would like to send her a love letter.

118 posted on 11/06/2002 2:14:30 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Bush's tax plan had nothing to do with the AMT. Clinton however did stop the indexing of the AMT exemption which causes more and more people to be effected by this stupid tax.

That's the "dance", Bush says he didn't institute the AMT so he won't change the AMT.

I assume you are just talking about Social Security and medicare taxes, which the Bush plan did nothing to.

Another Bush "dance" , he had nothing to do with the ever increasing payroll taxes, so why should he lower the tax?

I'll give you Katherine Harris's e-mail address if you would like to send her a love letter.

Thanks, but no thanks, I don't want to break up the Harris/Jeb Bush affair.

119 posted on 11/06/2002 2:54:03 PM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: Tuco-bad
Because ONLY rich people buy your product, you want the rich to have more money to buy more of your product.

Yes. That allows me to hire "working people" that then can go and spend their paychecks on things which keeps other businesses going. You see?

a.cricket

120 posted on 11/06/2002 5:13:36 PM PST by another cricket
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