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To: Colt .45

Southron paranoia in full bloom again, I see. Lincoln did not ignore the Supreme Court. Issues affecting the Union conduct appeared before the court throughout the war, witness the Prize Cases that Walt talks about so much. People sentenced in the North by the military tribunals still had the chance to appeal their case all the way to the Supreme Court, witness Ex Parte Milligan. But down south the people that Davis tossed in the hoosegow stayed there and rotted because there was no legal system, there was no appeal, there was no protection against abuse by the Davis regime.

...which Congressman in his right mind would stand against Lincoln when he could be jailed and brought before a Military Tribunal on some trumped up charge?

That is nonsense and you know it, but you need something to justify your support of Davis and his actions. No doubt you are about to trot out Clemment Vallandigham to support your case. Never mind the fact that Vallandigham was a former congressman and deserved trial and punishment. Never mind the fact that Davis himself tossed John Minor Botts, a former congressman from Virginia, into jail for the duration for speaking out against the confederate government. That was OK because the south was nation-building, is that it?

Article 1 Section 9 stated that only Congress with the approval of the Supreme Court could suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus.

I question somethime whether you have ever even read the Constitution some times. That section does not say that only congress can suspend habeas corpus and it doesn't say that they need Supreme Court approval.

Thereupon Lincoln issued a writ of arrest to US Marshal Lamon to apprehend Taney. Lamon never served it, but it was issued!

No he didn't.

Lincoln shut down all newpapers that didn't agree with his war, and spoke out against it!

This is much more descriptive of southern actions than Northern. Lincoln was bedeviled by newspapers throughout the war, from Greely on down. None of those were shut down.

He violated the Constitution in declaring war against the South (something only Congress has the power to do per the Constitution).

Again, pure BS. You declare war against other nations, not rebellious parts of your own. No declaration of war was required.

So on that note of calling Jeff Davis the tyrant, you must prove that Lincoln wasn't one.

I need do nothing of the sort. You and your ilk have been calling Lincoln 'tyrant' since I started posting here, yet none of you offer any evidence that Davis wasn't one. On the contrary, I point out Davis's crimes and I'm criticized for trying to change the subject. Like I said, Jefferson Davis is the south's dirty little secret because every time you turn over a rock another one if his abuses slithers out. Y'all want to keep those rocks right where they are.

30 posted on 11/05/2002 3:49:23 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Man you got as many smarts as a box of rocks. Lamon's own personal papers stated the fact of who issued the warrant.

"I question somethime whether you have ever even read the Constitution sometimes. That section does not say that only congress can suspend habeas corpus and it doesn't say that they need Supreme Court approval."

For your perusal old son ... Article I pertains to the legislative branch of Government. Section 9 specifically states 'The Priveledge of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.' It never says "shall require it". And it was a matter of legislation to be decided by Congress! Now onto your assertion that the Supreme Court doesn't need to approve it. Habeas Corpus is a matter of law and in Article III, Section 2 it states 'The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution,the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority ...etcetra, etcetra' So as we see, the Supreme Court needed to decide whether or not it was lawful and Constitutional to suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus. The legislative makes law, the Supreme Court decides its Constitutionality. By suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus, Lincoln was making law ... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NOT AUTHORIZED UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION!!!!

As for the rest of your dissertation of bovine scatology ... uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh YEEEEEEEEAAAH ... SURE ... whatever. Its your story, tell it like you want. Doesn't mean I'll ever buy into it though.

31 posted on 11/06/2002 5:23:00 PM PST by Colt .45
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