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To: Gumlegs
Are you being intentionally obtuse? I read the same post you did and it made perfect sense. It is as if you are refusing to even aknowledge the points he is trying to make as opposed to argue whether or not they are correct.

It's hard to carry on a discussion this way. I love WRITTEN debate - you can refer to your previous words to show that people are not responding to what you ACTUALLY WROTE.

It can still be frustrating though, as is starting to come out in gore3000's posts.
774 posted on 10/18/2002 9:59:14 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: RobRoy
Are you being intentionally obtuse? I read the same post you did and it made perfect sense. It is as if you are refusing to even aknowledge[sic] the points he is trying to make as opposed to argue whether or not they are correct.

No, I'm not being obtuse, you're being misled by Gore's changing the subject.

I'll go over it again. Gore makes a claim: All Nobel Prize Winners have disproved evolution. Then, Gore chooses (among others), two authorities. They are Nobel Prize Winners, therefore, they must have disproved evolution. Simple enough? I investigate. Gore's own authorities have made statements, reprinted here, which indicate, at the very least, that they assume evolution to have happened. One of them is doing further work investigating elements of evolution. Gore now wants to claim that they don't understand their own work, they're "just assuming" evolution, and that their work does disprove evolution.

It doesn't. Baltimore is in awe (as we all should be) of DNA. He's quoted saying, "It will be the work of at least the next half-century to fully comprehend the magnificence of the DNA edifice build over 4 billion years of evolution." These are not the words of a man who has disproved evolution. Whether Baltimore "assumes" is not the point.

Hartwell's own description of his current work is, "My laboratory is beginning a new research program aimed at studying how molecular circuits support evolution." Again, not the words of a man who has disproved evolution. Whether Hartwell "assumes" it is not the point.

Gore was wrong when he stated that all Nobel Prize Winners have disproved evolution. Q.E.D. That's the point.

Gore is now raising a lot of objections to various elements in the (separate) work of Baltimore and Hartwell. All of his objections are nothing more than attempts to change the subject. Gore was the one who claimed all Nobel Prize Winners have disproved evolution. He was wrong. He won't admit it, but then he never does.

It's hard to carry on a discussion this way. I love WRITTEN debate - you can refer to your previous words to show that people are not responding to what you ACTUALLY WROTE.

How true. And it's also possible to show how people attempt to change the terms of the debate part way through it. But you have to read all the words to find that out.

It can still be frustrating though, as is starting to come out in gore3000's posts.

Gore's posts have been substantially the same since he started posting on the subject. The only thing that's changed in them are the names he uses to insult his opponents. "Taliban," for instance, is newish.

787 posted on 10/18/2002 10:53:49 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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