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I kept trying to say that this argument seems to keep cycling because Creationist/ID'ers want to talk about theology, whereas evos want to talk about science, which in my mind is a lower level knowledge.

What threads have you been reading? The article above is about scientific facts and the evolutionists only want to talk about religion and bash Christianity. Religious people are trying to meet the evolutionists on their own field and the evolutionists refuse to defend their side and instead attack either their opponents religion or their opponents themselves. If evolution were science, they could easily meet the attack on their theory on scientific grounds. They cannot.

By opting out of the scientific process,

Who is opting out of the scientific process? Are you making the ridiculous and easily refutable claim that all scientists are atheists? Discuss the scientific questions presented against evolution instead of bashing your opponents. Again if evolution is science - defend the science of evolution.

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What threads have you been reading? The article above is about scientific facts and the evolutionists only want to talk about religion and bash Christianity.

That is certainly one side. It seems the same on the other side to me.

Who is opting out of the scientific process? Are you making the ridiculous and easily refutable claim that all scientists are atheists?

I'm saying that students who don't learn the scientific method will be at a significant disadvantage in the competition for jobs and university positions.

Discuss the scientific questions presented against evolution instead of bashing your opponents. Again if evolution is science - defend the science of evolution.

I think some of the posters here have done a fine job of defending evolution. It's about time for Creationist/ID'ers to make their case that they're talking about science and not scripture. Have barely seen a peep of that.