Posted on 10/11/2002 9:02:01 PM PDT by gore3000
Well I do beg to differ, Vade. Gertrude Himmelfarb and Phillip Johnson have a relevant thing or two to say about the Evol "horse", all available on this thread, and neither of them promotes "Creationism", an Evol red herring. You all just don't want to discuss what a mess Darwinism is from a scientific point-of-view. I sometimes wonder why that is but I don't worry too much about it. The nice thing about Truth, Vade, is that it is immutable and ridicule won't drive it away. Science itself is a limited form of Truth but even within that limited realm, Darwin doesn't make the grade.
It was not 'occasional references' it was the basis of his whole agenda - an agenda that was enforced by numerous people. Stalin's anti-Darwinism was only a passing fancy. Further, other numerous Communist mass murderers have and continue to embrace evolution as a basis for their philosophy.
Further, in spite of your claims of conservatism, patriotism, freedom, etc. your philosophy is a leftist philosophy which by demeaning human life excuses tyranny, destruction and inhumanity.
Wonderful Patrick, now Hitler was a Christian and the Pope is not Catholic. What other new insights are you going to provide us? I can use another good laugh.
Gertrude is a scientific incompetent from 50 years ago. Johnson stole his arguments from Duane Gish, trimming all the obviously YEC stuff. OK, he claims that he's "not a creationist." (Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk!) His resume says that he's not a scientist, either.
I have refuted the above several times and given examples for my position. Since you keep evading responding to the evidence I have given you my guess is that I am correct and this post is a somewhat ungletemanly concession. Good day.
It is quite interesting that with all the scientific evidence presented in the article above the only thing which evolutionists wish to discuss is their strawman 'creationism'. That is their choice of course, but by not even attempting to refute the evidence presented against evolution they are silently assenting to the truth of the proposition that evolution has been disproven.
If what they say is so obviously wrong (according to you), how come you cannot refute the message and instead lower yourself to attacking the messengers??????
you're nuts---
still think the Pope--Catholic Church accepts evolution too!
Evolution warps/twists--rots...there is no you/soul left---whacked--whacko!
IMHO, it is precisely because he is a lawyer that Intelligent Design has taken on his demeanor - and won over so many people, making strong inroads in the school boards. In this instance, the jury is not scientific peers but the public at large.
IMHO, the evolutionists are ill advised to besmirch the opposition, in particular the IDers. There is more poison in the handle than the point.
On the assertion about PatrickHenry and the Pope, there was a lengthy discussion between PH and betty boop on this thread.
Right. I've been quoting the Pope's 1996 statement, as I think it's clear he's accepted evolution (but not with regard to man's spiritual nature). And I've quoted Hitler -- who is clearly a creationist. The quotes are accurate.
G3k doesn't like -- or understand -- these quotes, so he alleges that I'm claiming the Pope isn't catholic, etc. We are accustomed to such distortions.
To clarify these things again: Hitler's creationism doesn't discredit creationism. The Pope's stand on evolution doesn't prove evolution. Evolution must stand on its scientific merit, not on the authority of its proponents (or the ignominy of its detractors). Ditto for creationism.
How much Oil, Gas and Mineral Production do y'all have?
People in the natural resourses business are willing to try anything to find what they are looking for. They have tried dowsing, Ouigee Boards, prayer, dreams and micro paleontology and stratigraphy. Some wildcatter can be found to try anything.
Micropaleontology and Stratigraphy, which are based on evolution are the only succesful methods ever found.
A theory has to make sound predictions to be of any value, or even to just be true.
Why don't yall get together some scratch and use your ID theories to look for Oil?
If you are succesful, you will not only get rich, but you will convert most of the Scientific Community in a matter of months.
Or are y'all "All Talk and no Wallet"?
Or something rather worse? People willing to take steps that could destroy our economy by curtailing new mineral finds, just to feel smarmy about their religion? People no better than the Mullas of the Middle East.
SO9
But maybe not so clear after you read this: Clarification of the Pope's statements regarding evolution
I encourage all those interested in the Pope's stand on evolution to give this referenced article a good read.
MM
I understand your point, however Johnson does not claim to be his own expert witness.
What he does is superb lawyering by using expert witnesses from both sides and arguing only the logic, in simple language, appealing to common sense. He never badgers, he embraces good arguments from either side. He wins very frequently.
My posting of the link was not to enter the debate but to "source" what I suspect was the origin of the gore3000's remark. It's what I do (LOL!)
Even reading Akin's analysis as if it were a bang-on accurate appraisal of the Pope's statement, it's clear that the Pope doesn't oppose evolution, and it would appear that he plans to have the church co-exist with it. If that were all the Pope said, it's sufficient for my purposes.
OJ Simpson was great football player so he is innocent of murdering Nicole Smith and Ron Goldman?
Is that how evolution works?
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