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To: gcruse
You are introducing red herrings and other informal fallacies.

Consider this. For an atheist to claim that I am immoral is no different than a preacher or rabbi saying I am a sinner.

"Morals" are a deceptive replacement for the "avoidance of sin." This is an attempt to establish ecclesiastical dominion over the sovereignty of an individual.

See Hobbes above concerning ecclesiastical dominion. It applies to the Papacy as much as it does many others (including many atheists), especially concerning phantastical images or apparitions...

In case you have not noted, I am an atheist. We are not like the vast majority of atheists...

23 posted on 10/02/2002 7:13:07 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
We are not like the vast majority of atheists...

Totallly subjective.

24 posted on 10/02/2002 7:50:38 PM PDT by gcruse
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