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To: LostTribe; blam; William Terrell
The part about the Goths aimlessly wandering around and maybe coming from Scandinavia is pretty much "party line". Pretty thin gruel.

Also, the author seems a bit perplexed about the Goths migrating to "north of the Black Sea". I suspect it's mostly a matter of confusion in the dating of some Celtic finds that has their direction of travel reversed. We know the Celts initially came FROM the region of the Black Sea and the Caucasus Mountains many hundreds of years earlier. That is why they are called "Caucasians".

2 posted on 09/27/2002 7:16:24 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
We would be remiss to leave out the effect of the Han Chinese and their impact on this period. There were large numbers of Caucasians (proto-Celts) and others who were routed out of the Tarim and Turpin basins and fled all the way to the Black Sea area.This happened in the 100-200AD period.

"As in the Former Han, a strong centralized government was restored and powerful reforms were instituted in the early years of the Later Han; these reforms led to an astonishing recovery of a population that had been devastated by war and famine. As in the former Han, this period of creative reform and restoration was immediately followed by an aggressive military expansion. In 50 AD, the Later Han government allied itself with some Hsiung Nu tribes and, forty years later, marched across the Gobi desert and attacked the northern Hsiung Nu. So effective was this campaign that it provoked massive migrations of Hsiung Nu west into central Asia and north into Russia; these migrations eventually pushed the Hsiung Nu all the way to Europe and finally Rome: these nomads were known to the West as the "Huns." The military expansion of the Chinese empire would push the Chinese all the way to the Caspian Sea; this mind-boggling control of large parts of inner Asia established the greatest trade route in the ancient world: the Silk Road."

4 posted on 09/27/2002 8:01:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: LostTribe
What little evidence we have indicates that they probably came from Scandinavia.

I love these statements. How did they get to Scandinavia, migrate down from the North Pole where they spontaniously sprang into being from ice crystals?

9 posted on 09/27/2002 10:03:39 PM PDT by William Terrell
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