"Breaking News", the South Lost the Civil War. Vanity

self | 9/26/02 | tall_tex

[tall_tex]

I have been watching Ken Burns, "Civil War Series" again. I do not know why I keep watching and holding out hope that this time we might just win.

My sad announcement, is that we did not win, this time either.

Why did we loose, surely we had God on our side.

Why do the good guys continue to loose, Roy and Dale won, the Lone Ranger and Tonto won.

The Clinton's win, the Dash@@786450897, have and are winning still, and again.

I guess good guys finish last, maybe we should not be such good guys.

[The Person]

Absolutely. The antagonism against the North was mostly about slavery and the trigger was the election of an anti-slavery president and the success of an anti-slavery party--the Republican Party.

[kilohertz]

Maybe we can at least find some evidence that the Yankees cheated, and demand an asterisk?

[tall_tex]

When I go there I usually stay in Alvin. Trust me New York is not a place that I want to go back to. Thanks for getting this thread gettin all heated up. We will talk again. We do good work. Tom

[stainlessbanner]

Before you go putting Lincoln on a pedestal, consider the Republican interests of trade and industry. It's been documented many times Republican focus was on industrialization and tariffs, not on freeing the slaves.

[goodieD]

has to be.

[Texaggie79]

No prob :) I'm sure I will see you around. Hopefully you will have learned to reply to posts chronologically. :-P

[goodieD]

You're fighting a lost cause with them, Stainless..they know Lincoln was a god because they learned it in publik skool....

[MP5SD]

The War was fought over economics and taxation-slaves were a commodity.

Thomas Jefferson acknowledged the right to suceed and wished them well. Founders supporters jump in.How can peaceful secession be treason? We did just that from England?

Lincoln was a dictator;
Why did so many states refuse to send their troops to Lincoln when he demanded them?
Read the reply from Arkansas. "...defend with our honor, lives, and property...." sound familiar?
Suspended habeas corpus, appropriated money from the treasury,shut down newspapers, imprisioned the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,called up troops for 3 years without Congress approval. To vote in his election you had to pass through platoons of Union troops stationed at the voting booths.instituted military tribunals.refused to exchange prisioners-but also refused to export medical supplies to the south..causing deaths of his own at places like Andersonville. Lincoln "blamed" the Civil War on God.The emancipaption proclamations sole purpose was to cause a slave rebellion in the south similar to the one in Haiti.Lincoln want to colonize the slaves outside of the US and send as many free blacks with them as he could-Logistically impossible. Emancipation only applied to southern states...hmmm?

Lincoln, Sherman,Sheridan and Grant..all war criminals by any standard. Check the Geneva codes of 1863.

The Northern policies following the war were the cause and effect of the inception of the KKK.

[stainlessbanner]

Lincoln had not done one damn thing to them at that point.

"In 1861, President Lincoln appointed Dana as United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Massachusetts. As such, in 1863, he successfully defended the United States in the Prize Cases before the United States Supreme Court (these were a group of cases, consolidated for appeal, on the capture of ships attempting to break the blockade of the Confederate ports. The issue argued revolved around two separate issues: was the Rebellion a "war" and when did the "Civil War" begin, in April, '61, with President Lincoln's Declaration of a blockade or in the summer when Congress approved what the president had done. The court unanimously ruled in favor of the administration's position that the Rebellion was a war but more narrowly (5-4) supporting the premise that the president's call for troops on April marked the beginning of the war. Not surprisingly Chief Justice Taney felt that the war could only begin when Congress said it did, very much as he had done in ex parte Merryman [67 U.S. (2 Black) 635]."

Lincoln did start the War.

[stainlessbanner]

Thomas Jefferson acknowledged the right to suceed and wished them well.

Lincoln acknowledged the right of secession in 1848 - apparently he changed his mind in 1861!

[MP5SD]

Sir,

Your point is historically irrefutable.

[stainlessbanner]

Thank you, kindly. In my haste, I forgot to add, your post 168 was fantastic. Keep your powder dry!

[tall_tex]

Just try responding tomorrow, when you can type and some ability to make us understand what in the world you are trying to tell us. Inquiring minds would love to know. Tom

[socal_parrot]

The first night, he dug into slavery and presented a case for victimology

So the slave weren't victims?

[Conservababe]

I have read through this whole thread...and as usual, the Civil War discussion has been almost exclusively of slavery.

Sigh..how to persuade those that it was of states rights, is a useless endeavor.

The slavery issue was only brought about by the continuous efforts of the anti-slavery lobby itself in the political forum.

Abe Lincoln, himself, did not consider it an issue, until forced into a corner to be re-elected.

And may we never forget that when the draft was instituted by the Union, there were riots in Manhattan where free negroes were killed in protest.

Sorry, but to yall who consider slavery to be the main issue of the Civil War....you are foolishly mistaken.

[socal_parrot]

Abe Lincoln, himself, did not consider it an issue, until forced into a corner to be re-elected.

Lincoln did consider slavery an issue in the Civil War. On June 16, 1858, before the war, Lincoln declared that the issue of slavery would not be resolved until the nation was all slave or all free, "A house divided against itself cannot stand". While he may have not taken a stance on the right or wrong of slavey, he did realize that it was an issue. To say otherwise is revisionist tripe that is common on these threads.

[socal_parrot]

there were riots in Manhattan where free negroes were killed in protest.

Also, these riots were mainly conducted by Irish immigrants that were upset that the blacks would take their jobs when they went to war. It was not a pro-slavery riot. More revisionist tripe.

[Conservababe]

I did not say that it was a pro slavery riot. I merely said that it happened, and negroes were killed in the North because of a dispute. How did the North value the lives of negroes, I ask.

[Conservababe]

The exhausted troops from Gettysburg were called in to quell the riots in Manhattan because of the Union draft. I doubt that it was all Irishmen that they encountered resisting. LOL

[Conservababe]

What Lincoln realized in his mind...and what he did for political gain are two different things, methinks. If he was a man of principle, he would have listened to his mind, instead of his politics in the first year of the Civil War.