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To: Devil_Anse
Just making the point that the heart of this case is the eyewitness testimony of Mary K.--not some intricate forensic evidence. Just as you said--it comes down to Mary Katherine.

I completely agree with you!

16 posted on 09/26/2002 11:12:45 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: sandude
Yes and I laugh at your ridiculous notions as well.

1069 posted on 9/26/02 4:03 AM Central by sandude

Well, thank you, dude!! I especially thank you, cause you said last night to UG that you had to be to work at 4:00 a.m., and to know you had me on your mind at 4:03 a.m. just warms my widdle heart.

Have a good day, dude

17 posted on 09/26/2002 11:28:53 AM PDT by Neenah
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From the Deseret News, 06/15/02:

"(Tom) Smart said he spent the night before Elizabeth's kidnapping shooting a Utah Starzz game at the Delta Center for the Deseret News. After work, Smart said he returned home about 11 p.m., spoke with his wife briefly, took a sleeping pill and went to bed.

He was awakened by a phone call about 3:30 a.m. It was his brother Edward calling with the news Elizabeth was missing.

Tom Smart said he and his family left their house shortly after Edward's call and arrived at the crime scene to find yellow police tape in front of the house.

After meeting with other family members at his father's house around the corner, Tom Smart said he returned with other family members to Elizabeth's home. They found the kitchen window open and the screen cut.

"Whether that's what they did or not, I don't know," Tom Smart said. "I didn't look at it under a microscope to find out if I knew which direction it had been cut from."

I just ran across this, and found it interesting in light of yesterday's debate about who arrived where when, etc. It has been said that Tom lives in Park City, about 45 minutes from Ed's home. From this, I would assume that he probably arrived at Ed's house by about 4:30 a.m. or shortly thereafter. According to Tom, the "crime scene" was cordoned off with police tape when he arrived. According to the latest police reports, however, the house wasn't secured until 3 hours after the police arrived, at approximately 7 a.m.

The presence of yellow police tape would seem to clearly indicate that some attempt was being made to treat this as a crime scene......yet Tom, Ed and the police all acknowledge that people were allowed to come and go. Some have suggested that the police didn't have enough manpower to restrain people from the scene. If this was the case, why didn't they call for more officers? Come to think of it, why would they NEED officers there to restrain people? The presence of police tape speaks for itself......surely the residents of Federal Heights wouldn't have to be physically restrained from crossing a police tape barrier. They would know what it meant.

If the tape was there, as Tom says, the police DID view this as a crime scene from early on. Why were no efforts made to protect it? Why did 40-50 people (according to Ed) ignore the tape? Chief Dinse's "mistakes were made" comments don't even begin to explain this.

18 posted on 09/26/2002 11:29:28 AM PDT by freedox
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To: Neenah; Devil_Anse
"Just making the point that the heart of this case is the eyewitness testimony of Mary K.--not some intricate forensic evidence. Just as you said--it comes down to Mary Katherine."

I couldn't agree more.

Since I have been focussing on the events of the night of the abduction, another thought has occurred to me. It has been told that there were up to 40-50 friends and neighbors on the scene that night. Did ANY of them speak to Mary Katherine? Where was Mary Katherine during all of this? We have been told that neighbors went into the girls' bedroom to comfort Lois, but there has been no mention of anyone speaking with Mary Katherine. Where was she? One would think that she would have been the focus of attention that night! Surely she wasn't whisked into seclusion THAT quickly......and if she was, where was she taken and by whom?

19 posted on 09/26/2002 11:31:25 AM PDT by freedox
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To: Neenah
yeah, and mk described the "intruder" as 5'8, 30-40yrs old, dark hair, hair on arms and hands...if she could see hair on his arms, then she would've seen the one physical trait most prominent on ricci; the Giant Paintbrush Mustache. and if ricci was the perp, he knew mk saw him, and would have at least shaved.
124 posted on 09/26/2002 11:41:59 PM PDT by jandji
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