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OK lets start with Angela.

You've stated that she was having an affair with someone at Moul's garage. Is this the same grieving widow we saw on LKL?

Please provide a source for this slander.

You state that Moul was not the mechanic that worked on the jeep and that there were other muddy jeeps on the lot.

Source please.

Ed was NOT cooperating with the police and it almost came down to him being arrested for hindering the case.

I've never heard or seen this. Where are you getting this from?

Ed was told by High Church Officials to work with the police no matter what skeltons they would find.

Your supposed fact here implicates that Ed had something to hide. There is nothing that has ever been stated by police that even comes close to this. It's just so much BS if you don't back it up. You claim this came from an FBI agent. Do you know this man? Have you seen his creditials? Why would the FBI be sharing information with you?

Ed ran to nieghbors before calling police. This is also in the newspaper.

There was a lengthy article in the Tribune or Deseret News which refuted this. It states that LE was on the scene before any neighbor arrived and that the Smarts called police before anyone else. This article came out recently and was the result of some investigative research whereas the first one was more speculatory in my opinion.

Newspaper states he was last seen at 11:00pm and first seen at 4:00am. Okay maybe he was home in bed but you don't believe Ricci was home in bed so why should the shoe not fit on the other side.

Was Tom's wife somatose? Did Tom's wife ask neighbors if they saw him leaving his home that morning? Was Tom in the habit of robbing people while they slept in their home? If you are going to accuse Tom of something then at least have something to go on.

I don't think you will be put off too much by the demands that people on here are making for proof. At least, you never have been put off by it before.

I am hoping that you can at least partially satisfy their requests--not b/c it would warm my heart to see things shown that MIGHT implicate a family member, but just because it would mean that at last we actually KNOW something.

Whether anyone likes it or not, whether it is politically correct or not, it is a fact that a person who commits a crime like this is very likely to have done something bad before--either a crime, leading to a criminal record, or some other incident like, say, Westerfield's peeping tom activities, which were not an official criminal record only b/c his wife did not report them to police.

Whoever did this, there is something in his past, guaranteed. I seriously doubt that any man (unless this perp was actually a teenager 16 or over) would make his very first entrance into the world of crime/wrongdoing, with such a drastic, serious crime.

That is why it has always been much more believable to me that Ricci and/or his felon friends perpetrated this, rather than a man in the family. Even now, I still say that Ricci's record speaks strongly against him, and anyone who would have trusted him, knowing that record, is an absolute fool--and that includes Angela; it includes Ed, if Ed actually knew of the record.

But we can't ignore the men in the family. One thing which speaks strongly against any of them having done this is the apparent lack of any known prior bad acts, or any criminal record, on the part of any of them. But if I heard one of them had done something like peeping tom activities, I might change my mind, b/c perverts and miscreants can come from any class of people. I have not heard any such thing at this point.

We can't get around the fact that Ed seems a little weird, and so does Tom. But we certainly know far less circumstantial "evidence" (it's not really even evidence) to implicate them, than we know of Ricci, what with Ricci having known the house in spite of being an outsider, and his failure to explain the jeep and his whereabouts, his behavior the morning of June 5, and his history of burglary.

We can't discount the family, unfortunately. John List had no criminal record, yet he killed his daughter (and the rest of his family.) But if one had looked at things in the life of List b/f his crime, it would have told them that he was capable of that crime. Neither of the Ramseys has any criminal record that I know of, yet I have strongly suspected them for a long time.

And even with what little I know of her, I find it very believable that Angela could have cheated on Rick, or vice versa. Angela and Rick had both been convicted of crimes of deception. People who will lie in one situation will lie in another situation. This was what we all knew during the reign of the Impeached Rapist, but hysterical, lying, destructive scumbags like Paul Begala, Rahm Emmanuel, and that inbred mutant named after the leper colony in Louisiana, would attack everyone who tried to acknowledge this simple truth. And it is also somewhat believable that Tom might have been cheating on Heidi, although we don't know any facts about such a thing, but adultery can take place even among otherwise law-abiding people.

"There was a lengthy article in the Tribune or Deseret News which refuted this. It states that LE was on the scene before any neighbor arrived and that the Smarts called police before anyone else."

The ONLY thing in that article (Deseret News, 09/07) that refutes the original police reports is a single statement by a single neighbor, Suann Adams. What the police are accepting responsibility for is the 3 HOUR delay in securing the house AFTER their arrival.....nowhere is there an official retraction of the original police reports that neighbors were already in and around the house when they arrived. In fact, the last paragraph of the article reads as follows:

"In this case I'm not criticizing them (the police)," (Deputy District Attorney) Morgan said. "We had neighbors running around trying to find Elizabeth. It was the ward function of the year where everyone was trying to help. By the time the police got there, they had to undo the chaos before they could begin reasonable forensic procedures."

Does this sound to you like there were no neighbors present when the police arrived? What constituted the "chaos" that police found upon their arrival? Can you find any statement in this article that amounts to an official retraction of the original police reports? All I can find is the statement of one neighbor......Suann Adams.