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To: klamath
I won't go by what men say including you.

If you will truly seek the truth, and ask God to show it to you, and are willing to accept it even if it means giving up family and friends, He will be faithful to show you the truth.

Sorry to get under your skin. That is not my intention.

You didn't get under my skin. But I will admit I will be glad to try to scare the hell out of you if it will keep you from going there.

It is a shame the bible in the old testament mentions so many polygamists that God worked with.

The polygamists of the Old Testament paid for their polygamy. Abraham had Ishmael by his slave wife at Sarah's request and look what trouble that caused in his family and in the Middle East today with the offspring of Ishmael still fighting against the offspring of Isaac. Jacob had two wives because he got tricked by his father in law and had to marry both and endured a lifetime of bickering and competition between the wives, even using their servants to sire him children in their competition with one another. Regardless, the New Testament clearly states that church leaders are to be men with one wife.

There have been sacred places where some people were not allowed to enter, and also only certain men could offer sacrifice that God would accept.

All the men were the Lords', but they were all redeemed by silver except the Levites who were God's representatives to the people. It was by birthright, not by whether they paid their tithes and did not smoke, did not chew, and did not date girls that do. This was all clearly prescribed and delineated in scripture, just as it is delineated that there is no temple in the church age, we are the temple of the Holy Spirit as living stones. Only the priests were allowed to enter the holy place, and only the High Priest was allowed once a year in the holy of holies. This is because he was a type of Jesus Christ. They did not have weddings that excluded family members. This, like the people killing their children sacrificing to Molech, would fall in the same category where God said he did not make commandment against it because it would never have entered his mind they would do anything like this. If you're trying to follow the law, remember if you offend in one point you have offended in all.

And by the way I do worship the Jesus of the new testament. I owe him everything.

The Jesus of the New Testament is an eternal member of the Godhead which LDS denies. The Jesus of the New Testament would not have you in your own little group not affiliating with and working together with other Christian groups worldwide. This exclusiveness, secrecy, and men trying to draw men after themselves is a real bad sign.

I read of him daily and try to act like him..

Where do you read 'of him', in the Word of God or in some LDS literature written by men?

I have no argument with you and once again thank you for your input!

I have no argument with you and it's interesting to hear the arguments you have in defense of your religion.

230 posted on 09/19/2002 3:26:52 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
The Jesus of the New Testament is an eternal member of the Godhead which LDS denies.

The 1st Article of Faith of the LDS Church says "We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost" - totally contradicting your statement. Where did you get this hogwash?

The Jesus of the New Testament would not have you in your own little group not affiliating with and working together with other Christian groups worldwide. This exclusiveness, secrecy, and men trying to draw men after themselves is a real bad sign.

You don't know what your are talking about on this point either. The Church participated in a prayer breakfast at the White House following 9/11 with many other churches. The Church actively participates in some groups, particularly if they are welfare oriented such as aid to Afghanistan and not in others. It does not partipate in those debating theology. There is nothing particularly secretive about their participation.

You might want to stick to pontificating about your own church since you obviously know very little about the Mormon church. You might also want to take it somewhere else. This thread is about the Elizabeth Smart case.

274 posted on 09/19/2002 6:47:06 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Sherlock
1. I have sought the truth and invite you to do the same.
2. Maybe you don't know all that you think you know about LDS beliefs.
3. In regards to polygamy, LDS don't practice it anymore either, I was only pointing out that men can still be servants of God and be in that practice. New testament says a bishop should have only one wife.
4. Even Jesus cast certain people out of the temple. Also they were told not to marry unbelievers.
5. I don't know where you get your information but we do believe he is an eternal member of the Godhead. Our first article of faith says, "We believe in God the Eternal Father, in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost." That is the Godhead. The problem is that many enemies of us continue to propigate lies about what we believe and how we believe in things.
6. I read from the old and new testament. I also read from the Book of Mormon. It testifies of Him also. Have you ever read it? or do you only read opinions of others about who also haven't read it? I believe it came from God. I believe He (God) has added to His word. Just like in the past he has called an imperfect man to be a prophet. Just like in the past many rejected the prophets God called because they couldn't or wouldn't see it.

We do many Christian things around the world with organizations like the Salvation Army, the Catholic relief organization, the Red Cross and others. The accusation of secrecy has to do with what I call sacredness of things that happen in the temple. Every person alive could go into those temple and find out what is taught there but they have to meet the requirements. It is open to all and we invite all to prepare and go. Even you could!

You have your opinions and I have mine. It is obvious to me the truth of a statement made long ago applies here to the futility of the argument, "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".

I will attempt to answer any legitimate questions you have about my belief but I won't respond any more to obviously distorted accusations. It does not do any one any good. But if you want to discuss things of how I really perceive things, not in the attempt to convert anyone, but in the spirit of gaining knowledge I will gladly share those things. Thanks again.
376 posted on 09/20/2002 9:56:16 AM PDT by klamath
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