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Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/17/02 to ???

Posted on 09/16/2002 11:10:48 PM PDT by Utah Girl

Just thought I would start a new thread.


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To: Devil_Anse
I thought at last week's press conference, Ed and Lois weren't there, they were on a family vacation with their kids. They may still be gone.

It just seems strange to me that they've gone completely, suddenly quiet, after months of constant TV and press coverage. Not saying it's "bad," just curious.

Matter of fact, the Smart family has been mighty quiet since the death of Richard Ricci. Might expect that for a short time, but this long???

Wonder if the FBI is gaining on something.

241 posted on 09/19/2002 4:30:33 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Utah Girl; All
I found it

http://kutv.com/related/StoryFolder/story_568403683_html
Sep 5, 2002 6:08 pm US/Mountain
Ed and Lois smart did not attend the news conference. The family decided to take its first vacation since Elizabeth's kidnapping.
242 posted on 09/19/2002 4:37:50 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: scaredkat
Now Im just wondering about this weeks rumor that Ed and Lois are on a cruise. Its probably not true but you never know.
243 posted on 09/19/2002 4:38:49 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: scaredkat
here is some more interesting reading, might help on the information side of things.

http://kutv.com/related/StoryFolder/story_661445001_html
Aug 6, 2002 4:07 pm US/Mountain

Ed Smart was stunned when police told him the handyman he'd invited into his home to do odd jobs last year was a potential suspect in his daughter's June 5 abduction.

Two weeks into Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping investigation, police told the family that Richard Albert Ricci was a violent felon with a 29-year criminal history and a record of parole violations.

"I was mad," Smart said. "And I was disappointed I hadn't heard this a year ago. I never would have hired him if I'd known."

Ricci's freedom wasn't unusual. In Utah and across the nation, an increasing number of prisoners are doing their time on the streets rather than behind bars in an effort known as "offender re-entry."

It's the solution prison officials have used to ease former inmates back into their communities. And it saves money.

Utah Corrections Director Mike Chabries last year announced a new policy on parole violators after budget cuts forced the closure of two prisons and the early release of 400 inmates.

Chabries said corrections would pursue the system of education and support that sends fewer parolees back to prison for violations such as failing drug tests or missing appointments with parole agents.

Keeping people on parole helps the cash-strapped state. Instead of spending $24,000 per year to house a prisoner, Utah pays $2,000 per year to supervise a parolee.

"We were spending millions and millions on prisons," said Joe Borich, director of the Corrections Department's Adult Parole and Probation Division. "All of a sudden, the budget's cut."

Because 97 percent of prison inmates will one day be released, "We want to make sure there's a transition into the community," Chabries said. "So when they walk out of the prison, on day one, they will have a place to go and something to do."

"That doesn't mean we ought to put the community at risk," he added.

That's what may have happened in Ricci's case. He was on parole while he worked in Smart's neighborhood last year. Ricci has been charged with thefts and a burglary that occurred in the area during that time.

Every month, the Utah Board of Pardons releases 200 to 250 prisoners. The state counts parolees, probationers and prisoners daily; on July 30, there were 5,370 people in prison and 3,492 on parole. Like the rest of the state's population, 80 percent of parolees live in Wasatch Front neighborhoods.

On average, each has been paroled twice. Virtually all parolees are felons; two were convicted of capital homicide.

Parolees tend to be undereducated and underskilled. Most arrests for additional crimes occur within the first six months of release. Sixty-five percent of parolees are back in prison within three years. Chabries hopes to reduce recidivism to 20 or 30 percent.

That's a tough assignment for parole agents staggering under caseloads of up to 60 probationers and parolees.

"We're the ones who know who they are, where they are, and we're responsible," said Corrections Deputy Director Chris Mitchell.

"Whenever there is a serious crime, we have a bad feeling in the pit of our stomach,'' Mitchell said. ``We worry it's one of our guys."

Ricci, 48, hasn't been charged in Elizabeth's kidnapping and has steadily maintained his innocence. Police Chief Rick Dinse says Ricci is a top potential suspect.

Court documents show Ricci has admitted to the 2001 theft from the Smart home and a night burglary of a neighbor's home around the same time. However, he has pleaded innocent to those charges. Federal authorities have charged him with robbing a bank in November 2001.

He was paroled from Utah State Prison, for the fourth time, in November 2000.

Ricci didn't tell his parole officer he was working for Smart. Even if he had, his agent may not have passed on the information.

Parole agent Diane Malmborg said when she verifies her clients' employment, she doesn't necessarily divulge their criminal status.

"Unless (employers) ask, I don't tell them," Malmborg said. "That's the responsibility of the probationer or parolee."

There are exceptions.

"If I have someone who's a forger and they are working for a bank, I would have to tell the bank," she said.

"But I would not allow a forger to work at a bank. A sex offender would not be allowed to work at a daycare. There is an element of liability there. We screen that closely."

Driving with her partner through tidy and run-down neighborhoods on the eastern edge of West Valley City and Taylorsville, Malborg said during her 14 years as a parole agent, the people she supervises have become more violent. She blames that on the influx of gangs, guns and methamphetamine.

"It's really dangerous now," Malmborg said. "I don't tell my family what I do."

In a way, parole agents like Malmborg are caught in a trap not of their own making. They can hurt the very people they're trying to help by disclosing too much information. If they are too tough, they will hinder efforts to reduce the prison population.

"Our attempt is to intervene, to provide them an opportunity to learn," said Malmborg. "It's frustrating when you get someone on his seventh parole, because you've worked with him and worked with him."

There is one absolute: Agents will cut no slack for parolees who commit new crimes. When that happens, "he goes back to prison, no questions asked," Chabries said.
244 posted on 09/19/2002 4:44:38 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: scaredkat
But I could have sworn I heard the family took a trip somewhere earlier in the summer. I guess it depends on how people define a vacation.
245 posted on 09/19/2002 4:51:45 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: scaredkat
I remember reading that article. Thanks for posting it. Also, last night, at a website called "Vanished," I read an article that said Ricci's parole officer filed papers asking Ricci's last sentencing judge to revoke his parole based on 1) Ricci's having alcohol, in violation of a condition, and 2) Ricci's having been charged with a new crime, burglary, which would be a violation of the boilerplate conditions for any parolee.

So Ricci wasn't placed back in jail ONLY b/c he "possessed alcohol." There was more to it than that.
246 posted on 09/19/2002 4:58:38 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
I saw Lois & Ed interviewed on TV, today I think it was, or yesterday. They were asked if they thought Ricci did it and Lois said he is suspicious because it was his MO to break into houses in the middle of the night which he did to their neighbors. Before Ed & Lois were on the newspeople said MK was tapped on the shoulder by the kidnapper and I got the impression it was before he did anything with Liz. They speculated the kidnapper may have been after either sister and just happened to take Liz. They gave no reason for offering this speculation. Again they said MK recognized the voice of the kidnapper but I get the impression she doesn't know who it was, just recognized the voice. They're really obscure about this voice thing. They had Angela on crying and saying what a shame it is they've wasted all this time focusing on her husband when he knows nothing about it. Would have made Jolly Green cry.
247 posted on 09/19/2002 5:00:11 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: spore-gasm
You rang? Yeah--about 100 posts ago! People were just noticing Ed Smart's habit of usually wearing tan pants and a polo-style shirt (often white.) I remembered that a while back on one of those other forums (!) I had said I wished Ed would quit appearing wearing clothes just like the abductor reportedly wore--it's somewhat unsettling. As of now, everyone here's wondering where the Smarts are this week.
249 posted on 09/19/2002 5:13:59 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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Get this! I just heard it from a really good source:

MK and Elizabeth do have separate bedrooms and that MK was sleeping with Elizabeth in Elizabeths room. WOW! That would explain the tapping business and why elizabeth was taken and not MK. Showing the focus was on elizabeth all along.
251 posted on 09/19/2002 5:40:30 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: scaredkat
MK and Elizabeth do have separate bedrooms and that MK was sleeping with Elizabeth in Elizabeths room. WOW! That would explain the tapping business and why elizabeth was taken and not MK. Showing the focus was on elizabeth all along.

This is old news, it has been said all along MK has her own bedroom but slept with Elizabeth in hers.

252 posted on 09/19/2002 5:44:14 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: All
They speculated the kidnapper may have been after either sister and just happened to take Liz. They gave no reason for offering this speculation.

I don't believe this, I'm just reporting what they said on the show and as I said, they gave no reason for this view. I've said all along I think Elizabeth was targeted. Also I wish they would straighten out this flakey statement about MK recognizing the voice but they never say who it was or if she actually knew the identity of who it was or just recognized the voice as someone she had heard before.

253 posted on 09/19/2002 5:47:58 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: spore-gasm
I just saw a clip of Ed and Lois in which Lois is convinced Ricci did it because of his history and because he used a gun (in the bank robbery) before. Lois looked quite animated and clear-eyed.

This was the same clip I saw but I did not get that she was convinced Ricci was the person that took Elizabeth out of the house, just that she was convinced he was the planner and involved because of his breaking in their neighbors in the middle of the night and using the pistol in the bank robbery.

254 posted on 09/19/2002 5:51:23 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: scaredkat
I'm becoming less and less convinced it was an actual kidnapping.
255 posted on 09/19/2002 5:52:29 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
I'm becoming less and less convinced it was an actual kidnapping. Funny, when were you convinced it was a kidnapping?
256 posted on 09/19/2002 5:53:42 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
Funny, when were you convinced it was a kidnapping?

Good point. I've never been totally convinced it was -- though I have considered it.

257 posted on 09/19/2002 5:54:48 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
-- though I have considered it. Oh, yes, I forgot, you thought Spencer Dixon might have seen Liz & MK jogging, since he's a marathon runner, and he might be the soft spoken kidnapper and MK might not have said anything because he's a Mormon bishop.
258 posted on 09/19/2002 6:05:50 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
MK might not have said anything because he's a Mormon bishop.

Doubt it would be MK that would keep it quiet.

259 posted on 09/19/2002 6:10:36 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Maybe Spencer Dixon is on that cruise with Ed & Lois?
260 posted on 09/19/2002 6:14:14 PM PDT by Sherlock
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