Westerfield Jury Reaches Verdict DEATH

o | Joe Hadenuf

[Joe Hadenuf]

Death

[Diamond]

Since gossip is included the following, I am hoisting my own petard here, but:

Romans 1:
.....28 "Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

Cordially,

[NYCVirago]

In this case there is reasonable doubt that murder occurred, period. A body was found and there was no direct evidence of murder.

How in the world is there reasonable doubt that murder occurred?

[FreeTheHostages]

I wrote: "Give it up. He's guilty.

Demsux wrote a whole bunch of stuff, including: "Obviously, you would have no problem with these goings on in a home where your child is asleep."

Hmmmmmm. OK, he's my response:

Give it up. He's guilty.

[demsux]

Good rhetoric in response to FACTS

[cubreporter]

Not interested in deterrance...just punishment for the crime comitted.

As for a dead body not being able to commit another crime... that's MY point!!! Sorry you don't feel me and the others you addressed as worth your time but we feel our opinions on this case are valid and very important.

Danielle's life is worth much, much more that her killer. We're all entitled to our opinions and we stand on the side of this innocent child. We hope you have a nice day.

[cubreporter]

Not interested in deterrance...just punishment for the crime comitted.

As for a dead body not being able to commit another crime... that's MY point!!! Sorry you don't feel me and the others you addressed as worth your time but we feel our opinions on this case are valid and very important.

Danielle's life is worth much, much more that her killer. We're all entitled to our opinions and we stand on the side of this innocent child. We hope you have a nice day.

[HamiltonJay]

Diamond, you keep going back to old testement... the quote you just forwarded from Romans, suggests that man not have free will.. this is an afrontage to all things. If a man has will, but should die if he ever willfully do something against God's decree, then he doesn't really have free will. You need to do a little more thinking on the subject than simply quoting verse and phrase... I know many people who can quote the bible, but there are far fewer who understand.

God's greatest gift to man, is the gift of free will. If the penalty for going against God's will is death, than man does not walk God's path by choice, but by repression. This glorifies neither God nor man. Glory and greatness occur in man, and shine upon God when man walks the holy's path willfully and wantingly... not because of threat of death.

[FreeTheHostages]

"Obviously, you would have no problem with these goings on in a home where your child is asleep."

Hmmm, you call this a fact. I don't. Seems actually like an unfounded slur, but I've repeated it twice here because I think it's distinctly unpersuasive.

Here are some facts: The jury has spoken. They have decided guilty. And here's a constitutional fact: We should respect the verdict.

One final fact: today is September 17th, Constitution Day, the day the U.S. Constitution was signed. Good day to respect our jury system.

That's all the facts you need, sir.

[demsux]

okie dokie

[HamiltonJay]

So you feel that their "lifestyle" had no bearing on this case?

It absolutely had no bearing on the case of Westerfield being a sub human bastard, kidnapper and child rapist and murderer. You and folks like you just can't seem to get it through your heads.. Westerfield is the face of evil, he kidnapped a child from her own bed, raped and molested her, murdered her and then dumped her body in the middle of nowhere to literally become DOG FOOD! He is a sub human sociopath, and an example of EVIL incarnate. It is ludicrous to suggest that the parents lifestyle had anything to do with Westerfields actions, and that is what this case is about, that sick sadistic bastard named Westerfield.

Now if you wish to argue the parents behavior may have placed their child more at risk for something to happen to her, that is one thing, but it plays no bearing on whether or not Westerfield did it.. which is what the case was about. Or did you miss that whole "charged" and "tried" and "convicted" thing?

[bvw]

There was never any direct evidence of a murder presented. The cause of death could not be established and there was no evidence of a violent act or murder instrument ever presented.

Blood drops are not direct evidence of murder or violence.

Blood splatter, or great blood trails where a body was dragged ... that would the kind of direct evidence I am talking about, that could hardly have come about except by violence. Another example would be flesh and blood embedded in a bludgeon or on a blade -- those are not in evidence here.

[demsux]

BTW, you were willing to address one aspect of my post, what about the others? Irrelevent, coincidence, inconsequential?

[demsux]

IMO, there is no doubt that their negliagence allowed this event to happen.

The alarm was breached TWICE that night, yet they did not check on the kids.

The remaining two should be removed as soon as possible, before some other freak comes through their door (with the reversed lock) for the other children.

[NYCVirago]

There was never any direct evidence of a murder presented. The cause of death could not be established and there was no evidence of a violent act or murder instrument ever presented. Blood drops are not direct evidence of murder or violence. Blood splatter, or great blood trails where a body was dragged ... that would the kind of direct evidence I am talking about, that could hardly have come about except by violence. Another example would be flesh and blood embedded in a bludgeon or on a blade -- those are not in evidence here.

This is just laughable. Seven-year-old girls just don't die out in the middle of nowhere. Your definition of "reasonable doubt" seems to discount anything short of a videotape showing Westerfield killing Danielle, and even then you'd probably claim that it was a setup!

[bvw]

In China when the emperor died they would embalm him, apply beautiful make-up and dress the corpse in the finest grand Imperial robes. They would parade the emperor around in massive public parades where all would hail his glory and wisdom!

How best to honor the right to Trial by Jury we all share in this great nation, that is written in the Constitution? It is not yet a dead right, but the embalmers are closing in on it.

[demsux]

even then you'd probably claim that it was a setup!

geez, bvw, these people can read minds, too

[bvw]

Danielle is dead, her body abandoned. You do NOT know how she died.

[Valpal1]

The cause of death was established by the coroner and testified to under oath --- HOMICIDE. It's on the death certificate too.

Homicide - death at the hands of another. The coroner was quite definite on that. He also allowed as how the manner of death was probably suffocation as he had ruled out every other manner, because of lack of characteristic wounds, but as suffocation frequently leaves no characteristic marks he couldn't rule that out.

Arguing that murder wasn't proven or evidence presented ignores the coroner entirely. His entire testimony goes to the point that she died of homicide.

[NYCVirago]

geez, bvw, these people can read minds, too

Geez, considering that you Save Dave folks have systematically discounted every single piece of evidence pointing to your hero's guilt, and some of you even deny that Danielle was murdered, it's not too much of a reach to say that nothing will convince you that DW did it.

[Valpal1]

And homicide of a kidnaped child is felony murder in all 50 states.