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Westerfield Jury Reaches Verdict DEATH
o | Joe Hadenuf

Posted on 09/16/2002 1:46:27 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf

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To: connectthedots
dehyrated/mummified = dehydrated/mummified
481 posted on 09/16/2002 10:19:58 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
His theory, and it seems most logical, is that a rodent chewed threw the mummified skin allowing the insects to enter in an unnatural opening.

Whatever logic there might be in his theory, can a reasonable person conclude that it would be approximately ten days before a rodent would start to chew on the body? I don't think so!

482 posted on 09/16/2002 10:21:08 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Auntie Mame
I'm glad I could help ya! G'nite!
483 posted on 09/16/2002 10:21:41 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: connectthedots
I really dont' know the answer to that. Part of the testimony included how rodents will carry all kinds of evidence into their little habitats for nesting material..hair, fibers, bones etc.. So how long it takes for them to get to that point, and how often it happens..we'd have to go back to the testimony. I guess if the skin is already leathery when they start... that would be 3-7 days? Also, the coroner's conclusion would support the prosecution's timeline.
484 posted on 09/16/2002 10:24:47 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Auntie Mame
Hello, I'm sure no expert, and I'm sure others can answer better.

But, my recollection is that it wasn't for SURE blood, but it was some sort of Danielle's DNA on his jacket.

Then the person examining it, cut off a a very small sample from the jacket. (3 mm size I think.) And then used a Polaroid camera to get photos. When he was questioned about why didn't he use a 35 mm camera to photograph the sample so it could be analyzed further...guess what? Shut down. No answer.

JLO
485 posted on 09/16/2002 10:32:22 PM PDT by JLO
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I really dont' know the answer to that.

In this case, there is no shortage of unanswered questions. Too many if you ask me. I can see why the jurors would dismiss the bug testimony if they thought it established that the body was diposed no later than mid-February. Heck, if that's all it did, I would have said the bug testimony was not relevant. If the bug testimony was that the body was disposed of in mid-February (which I am confident was the testimony of Faulkner and at least two of the other three), the bugs were very strong evidence in favor of DW.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. For now, DW is guilty and it is on to the appellate courts for review of several issues. Just don't be surprised if he is granted a new trial, but I am certainly not holding my breath, either.

486 posted on 09/16/2002 10:38:09 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
I hope that David Westerfirld does get a new trial... I am not at all convinced of his guilt.
The staff at the dry cleaner's did NOT notice any blood stains on his jacket when it was brought in! Was he framed?
The bug evidence from 4 of the 5 experts was very conclusive. (Plus the fact that the 5th expert was hopeless...)
Then there is the strange saga on www.unposted.com. Worrisome!
The real perp may still be out there.
487 posted on 09/16/2002 10:47:51 PM PDT by slym
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To: Valpal1; ~Kim4VRWC's~
It wasn't Kim who thought he had it less than a year, it was me. I sincerely thought 2001 was the purchase date.

A factual response. My apologies Kim, and to you Valpad (if I mis-stated something).

But frankly it doesn't invalidate the problem with the hair in the sink drain. If it had been there for any length of time, in this case 3-4 months since it had been in the neighborhood, it would have be degraded and unidentifiable by water, soap, grease in the drain. So why was a fresh hair in the sink if she wasn't in it that weekend?

If this hair was "fresh", how is it the search dogs from the SDPD and the FBI didn't hit on Danielle's scent ?

And why just one (1) hair from her head (or pillow) ?

Think it thru: 1 hair, 1 spot on the carpet, 1 smear on the jacket.
A large man (like DAW) 210 lb on top of a 50 lb virginal girl ...

Only a 1 inch "blood"-stain on the jacket ? Did he force her onto the the jacket ? Does that work with the DA's Bang-bang-bang arguement ?

I'm sorry, I don't see the evidence that jives with the crime.

Then, I'll have to go on to the 4 bug-guys ...

488 posted on 09/16/2002 10:55:08 PM PDT by dread78645
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To: JLO
You are correct. There was much discussion on that back during this thread

Do you people feel that Dusek truly believes that DW is guilty? I think he does.

The actions of the DA and the LE investigators indicate that all concerned from the get-go knew that DW was innocent and a frame-up was required.

One of the LE forensic guys testified that investigative policy was changed, just for this case, to use polaroid instead of 35mm. The only reasons that would have been done was to diminish the quality of the photo and to prevent negatives being made available to the defense.

The drastic changes between the LE statements to the media at the start of the frame-up, and their testilies in the PH are more evidence of major fabrication. Evidence presented during the trial by the prosecution (fibers could or could not be from the same source; could or could not actually be blood; the dog might or might not have alerted - but not recognized for three weeks) served more to prove DW's innocence, than support any possibility of his guilt.

What this trial has shown, unequivocally, is that DNA evidence is easily fabricated, that crime scenes are easily cross-contaminated, and that LE and prosecutors are not nearly as concerned with finding real criminals as much as they are with winning at all costs. Such obvious corruption of LE and the judicial process as shown in this trial, is more detrimental to society in the long term than the original crime. Many future (valid) cases could be tossed out using references to the handling of this case.

Most of the hang'em high mob skipped all the crucial defense evidence (which coincidentally was also denied to the jury).

Kimmie now wants to connect the scratches on DW's arm to Danielle, when her own mother testified that she bit her nails down to nothing, and therefore couldn't have left those marks. Dusek apparently recognized this as conflicting, and didn't pursue it.

The fact that the two detectives had previously been caught fabricating evidence was also kept from the jury. It's only a coincidence these two guys had been everywhere the evidence was magically being found two weeks later.

489 posted on 09/16/2002 11:05:03 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: dread78645
Think it thru: 1 hair, 1 spot on the carpet, 1 smear on the jacket.

Hey, one spot is all a professional needs. Besides, it's hard to reconstitute a whole puddle of DNA stains from a few old stains found at her home.

490 posted on 09/16/2002 11:14:21 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
The body didn't decompose naturally..

Thanks for pointing that out.

If DAW tossed her out on Deshau Road, maybe, Sat nite or Sun morning ... Then how did he prevent Danielle's body from becoming a "decompose naturally" corpse ?

And who was singing "Shoo fly -don't bother me" until 12 days later ?

491 posted on 09/16/2002 11:17:39 PM PDT by dread78645
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To: FreeTheHostages
I'm a former prosecutor and one thing I know, which probably nearly everyone on this website might disagree with me on!, is that jury's almost always get it right.

You might not be able to live with your own conscience if you admitted differently. That the prosecution DOES have a lot of room, even in this country, to play the judge and jury like a violin, and some are very trained musicians.

492 posted on 09/16/2002 11:22:25 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: meadsjn
The fact that the two detectives had previously been caught fabricating evidence was also kept from the jury.

Why were they even permitted to remain on the police force after that?

493 posted on 09/16/2002 11:26:06 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Nobody questions that her blood was on the jacket. The relevant question is: how did it get there? The spot was small enough, IIRC, that it could have come from one of her nosebleeds.
494 posted on 09/16/2002 11:31:14 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: meadsjn
Besides, it's hard to reconstitute a whole puddle of DNA stains from a few old stains found at her home.

Maybe "hard" but not impossible. There was an entire series on these threads about how "perfect" a match was made of the DNA from the panties and the DNA on the carpet and jacket. Like maybe it came from the same "whole puddle". Just maybe.

495 posted on 09/16/2002 11:32:44 PM PDT by I. Ben Hurt
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To: cyncooper
plus the fiber evidence

What bugs me about this, was anything determined about how rare or common those fibers were? It strikes me, an engineer, as an unscientific pursuit without doing that. I would not be willing to take an expert's mere word for it without also seeing the science. (But again I doubt the theory of evolution LOL)

496 posted on 09/16/2002 11:37:47 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: JLO
Thanks for your reply. I didn't follow the trial, and this has been an education tonight.

It would be nice if there could have been some really damning evidence, something large, like huge pools of Danielle's blood in the motorhome or Westerfield's skin under her fingernails. It seems like all the evidence in this case is small, just bits and pieces. Maybe a lot of murder cases are like this, we've just not paid attention before.

We have to trust the jury, though; they were there, they sat through the entire trial, we didn't.

And they must have been doubly certain of their decision to have requested the death penalty!

Anyone noticed how quickly this trial came about and those Wichita, Kansas scum that brutally murdered those four people after terrorizing them for hours almost two years ago STILL haven't come to trial?
497 posted on 09/16/2002 11:38:09 PM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: cyncooper; ~Kim4VRWC's~
Well, since he drove around with her in the MH, perhaps in the storage compartment at one point, your experiment would not be duplicative of what happened to poor Danielle.

Perhaps not.

'Kay, Throw a 60 lb carcass in the back of your pick-up, then drive 300 miles.
Toss in the yard. Start watch --Same results. Eh ?

This mummification stuff is bogusification ...
The bug-guys had it right. IMO

498 posted on 09/16/2002 11:38:42 PM PDT by dread78645
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To: FourtySeven
It won't bring Danielle back to life but it will difinitely keep him from doing it again.

According to his niece he was massaging her gums and teeth when she was younger and when she woke up SHE BIT HIM as hard as she could. This guy has been a menace to society for a lot longer than anyone realized or cared to believe. This time he got caught and WILL PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE. It's not revenge it's called JUSTICE.

499 posted on 09/16/2002 11:40:35 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: JLO
Seems like reasonable doubt to me - amongst many, many, many! other things that had no logic to me and we never got to hear the truth about alot of other stuff.

This bugs me too. I'd rather a jury see every fact possible about a case and the trustworthiness of those presenting evidence, where the judge can offer his opinion to the jury about its relevance without denying them the right to see it. That sword cuts both ways: how many genuinely guilty offenders get off because of some court ruling that says some fact about their previous history doesn't matter.

500 posted on 09/16/2002 11:43:46 PM PDT by drlevy88
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