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Westerfield Jury Reaches Verdict DEATH
o | Joe Hadenuf

Posted on 09/16/2002 1:46:27 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf

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To: Spunky
ah yes, I'm in central standard time. sorry to cornfuse ya!
Some jurors are talking! Look at cyncoopers posts.



161 posted on 09/16/2002 3:39:17 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: L,TOWM
True, life is ironic. Also true, WI does not have the Death Penalty.
162 posted on 09/16/2002 3:39:21 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Death row inmates are segregated from the general prison population. They have their own cells and are never with other prisoners.
163 posted on 09/16/2002 3:39:36 PM PDT by rstevens
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To: FreeTheHostages
Amore, valpal, cyncooper et al had to put up with just as much...and most just quit posting cuz of the personal attacks or they were sick of arguing the same things over and over. There were a lot of hurtful things allowed to be posted....towards many freepers.
164 posted on 09/16/2002 3:39:42 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: FourtySeven
Here's a little story for people who oppose the death penalty. It's about a guy who grew up not too far from where I live, Kenneth Allen McDuff. This is testimony from an accomplice that led to his first death sentence:

He told the kids in the car to get out or he would shoot them. I went on up there and he had put them in the trunk of their car. He drove his car back to their car, and he told me to get in his car and follow him. I did, and we drove for a while across the highway we had come in on, and he pulled into a field. I followed, and he said that the field wouldn't do, so we backed up and went to another field. He got out and told the girl to get out. He told me to put her in the trunk of his car. I opened the trunk and she climbed in. It was then that he said that we couldn't leave any witnesses, or something like that. He said 'I'm gonna have to knock 'em off', or something like that. I got really scared. I still thought he was joking, but I wasn't sure. They were on their knees, begging him not to shoot them. They said, "We're not going to tell anybody". I turned towards him and he stuck the gun into the trunk of where the boys were and started shooting. I saw the fire come out of the gun on the first shot, and I covered my ears and looked away. He shot six times. He shot one twice in the head, and he shot the other boy four times in the head. A bullet went through a boy's arm as he tried to stop the fire. He tried to close the trunk, but it wouldn't close. He then told me to back up his car. By that time I was almost dying of fright, and I did what he said. He got in the boy's car and backed it into a fence, and he got out and told me to help him wipe off the fingerprints. I wasn't going to argue with him. I was expecting to be next so I helped him'.

'We wiped out the tire tracks and got into his car and drove off another mile and turned off on another road and he stopped, and he got the girl out of the trunk and put her in the back seat. He told me to get out of the car, and I waited until he told her to get undressed. He took off his clothes and then he screwed her. He asked me if I wanted to do it, and I told him no. He asked me why not, and I told him I just didn't want to. He leaned over, and I didn't see the gun but thought he would shoot me if I didn't, so I pulled my pants and shirt off and got in the back seat and screwed the girl. She didn't struggle or anything, and if she ever said anything I didn't hear her. All the time I was on top of the girl I kept my eye on him. After that he screwed her again'

After Edna Sullivan had been raped several times, the two men drove her a short distance then stopped. McDuff ordered Green out of the car and asked him if he had anything to strangle the girl with. Green offered McDuff his belt, and now Green describes murder most foul: 'He told the girl to get out of the car. He made her sit down on the gravel road, and he took about a three-foot piece of broomstick from his car and forced her head back with it until it was on the ground. He started choking her with the piece of broomstick. He mashed down hard, and she started waving her arms and kicking her legs. He told me to grab her legs and I didn't want to, and he said 'It's gotta be done', and I grabbed her legs, and held them for a second or so, then let them go. He said 'Do it again', and I did, and this time was when she stopped struggling. He had me grab her hands and he grabbed her feet and we heaved her over a fence. We crossed the fence ourselves, then he drug her a short ways and then he choked her some more. We put her in some kind of bushes there.'

Mr. McDuff was sentenced to death for this, but in their infinite wisdom, the Supreme Court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional. He was eventually paroled, and did the following:

Within days of being released in October 1989, McDuff murdered 31-year-old Sarafia Parker,

Here's a partial description of Colleen Reed's murder:

After further questioning, Worley admitted that McDuff had asked to borrow his penknife and a shovel. He also said that McDuff had burned the woman with a cigarette on the vagina, however, Worley insisted that he did not know what happened to Colleen Reed after that, and that he had not seen McDuff since.

The following day, Tim Steglich interviewed Worley for the second time. Under pressure from the intensive interrogation, Worley finally agreed that they had driven along a deserted track, just a mile from McDuff's parent's home at Temple. "I did rape her", Worley finally conceded, "But, Mac broke her neck after he tortured some more with the lighted cigarettes. He snapped her neck, and it sounded like a tree limb breaking, then he threw her, like a sack of potatoes, into the trunk of his car."

After he abducted and murdered a 4' 11" tall convenience store clerk, he was finally arrested and executed.

The pity of anti-death penalty advocates allowed McDuff to kill eight more people.

Oh, btw, his most famous quote is that women squawk just like chickens when you strangle them.

165 posted on 09/16/2002 3:39:57 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: John Jamieson
You are a pleasure to debate with...we are the better to know you too!
166 posted on 09/16/2002 3:42:29 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: redlipstick
Thanks for the LKL program update. I WILL want to watch the juror interviews.
167 posted on 09/16/2002 3:44:30 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Amore
Don't you know that some folks look down on those of us who ''fought back'' sometimes. For some, simply posting anything was a bait. (ooops, was that a 'bait')
168 posted on 09/16/2002 3:44:40 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: redlipstick; cyncooper
A prosecutor and perhaps a juror or 2 will be on Larry King tonight - pushing the med students to a smaller segment.

Oh, goody, goody, that's an unexpected bit of extra good news!

169 posted on 09/16/2002 3:44:54 PM PDT by Amore
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To: John Jamieson; cyncooper
I'm still not personally convinced, but I do think Kim did a great job. I'll debate anything with her.

Wow, now there's a good Freeper attitude! Well, I am personally convinced, and I spent 6 years doing prosecutions: I know what weak cases (just barely beyond a reasonable doubt) look like and what strong cases (very much beyond a reasonable doubt) look like. This one was medium strong, well outside the infield, in my book. But, more importantly, Kim debated fair and square and not the same can be said for the opposition in that thread.

Kim's right, cyncooper and others get a pat on the back too for making it at least an even and fair debate and not all one sided in those threads.

What one can really say for sure, and we can all agree on, is that Admin's have a tough job and do it very well. They're hear in this rapidly developing thread, keeping it honest too.
170 posted on 09/16/2002 3:45:10 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Ping to post 170
171 posted on 09/16/2002 3:45:28 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: cyncooper; redlipstick
Thanks for the heads up!!
172 posted on 09/16/2002 3:45:39 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: FreeTheHostages
Kim4VRWC did yeoman's work contesting people who thought Westerfield was innocent in previous FREEP threads.

All without resorting to calling those she disagreed with "cretins" or making disparaging remarks about "entourages", etc.

173 posted on 09/16/2002 3:46:04 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Richard Kimball
This is testimony from an accomplice that led to his first death sentence

Um, sorry, that's when I stopped reading. Accomplices tell the truth and then later decide to recant. Same old story.
174 posted on 09/16/2002 3:47:48 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: basscleff
Were you an OJ juror by chance?
175 posted on 09/16/2002 3:49:00 PM PDT by wysiwyg
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To: cyncooper
Feldman says "We're America. We're alienating ourselves from the international community by having the Death Penalty".

ROFL. That will persuade exactly NO ONE. Who wakes up in the morning and says, "Hmm, what can I do today to please the French?"
176 posted on 09/16/2002 3:49:47 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
"Inmates will carry out the sentence before the state will."

Yes, the inmates, as bad as their crimes may be, do not like child killers at all! They do have some compassion for the children!

177 posted on 09/16/2002 3:50:27 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: FourtySeven
No, it won't bring her back. But she may rest a little easier.
178 posted on 09/16/2002 3:51:19 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: redlipstick
Why don't you actually LISTEN to the juror interviews?

I have not questioned the integrity of any juror. I merely suggested that at some point some jurors might learn of facts that could cause them to question whether the correct verdict was rendered. It would not be the first time that jurors changed their mind about a guilty verdict after learning of facts and information that wasn't available at the time the jury originally annouced their verdict.

I am confident that if DW is innocent, the evidence proving it will eventually be discovered.

179 posted on 09/16/2002 3:54:07 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: cyncooper
Yes, anger's rarely persuasive. I agree with you.

Because you were all there, though, it prevented other Freepers from being too alarmed.

I think the sin of those threads was pride: assuming that one can out-detective the experts, narcisstic joy in making a complicated murder mystery out of a somewhat simple, venal crime. I don't know: people shouldn't enjoy the details of a real murder as much as they would a novel. And they psychologically want to honor reality, not invent and marvel at their own alternative constructs of the crime. I really do think the sin of conspiracy theorists on those Westerfield-is-innocent threads was narcissim. I said so at the time: people can be perfectly nice and conservative and everything, but then on these criminal justice cases they become weirdfully prideful that they have some deep truth about the reality of crimes. I've seen it a thousand times, I don't understand it completely, but I certainly strive to. All I know is that it's people that otherwise are quite pleasant if you keep them off such topics. They are people that on any other subject on Freep might be most enjoyable in their style of debate. Sigh.
180 posted on 09/16/2002 3:54:28 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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