Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/9/02 to ???

[varina davis]

There's just no pleasing you!

I've been told that before ;-)

[Devil_Anse]

"Dang me, hang me,
They ought to take a rope and hang me,
High, from the highest treeeeeee!
Woman, would you weep for me?"

---Roger Miller

[varina davis]

Of course it wasn't. That's why he could use it to borrow money on. Perhaps money for drugs.

Why don't we discuss viable potential suspects? Guess no one wants to go out on that limb? I have a hunch LE -- and many others -- would like it to end with Ricci

[scaredkat]

Dang me dang me, gotta take a rope and hang me, hang me from the highessst treeeeee.

[scaredkat]

Im from U-T-A-H, born and raised.

[Devil_Anse]

Fine, but I'm still having trouble convincing anyone of my new scenario for explaining why Ricci steadfastly refused to tell where the jeep was for those 8 days. But I really do have faith in this scenario. It really does, to me, explain a perfect reason for Ricci's stonewalling on that point. If believed, it doesn't completely clear him in the abduction, but it tends to--by giving a plausible (IMO) explanation, other than involvement in Elizabeth's disappearance, for his stonewalling on the jeep issue.

[varina davis]

Im from U-T-A-H, born and raised.

O-K! Scaredkat.

[dalebert]

ping

[scaredkat]

Its very hard to type my accent on this so I try with the dashes. when you read it I really ment for to say it with the utahn drawl not that I was trying to yell it at you, but when I saw how it posted i felt bad because it did seem like I was being insulting, sorry.

[Sherlock]

I have questions about the plane that went down in queens on Nov 12th, 2001. Interesting about your thoughts on the PA site.

Following the investigation of this accident the NTSB made a public announcement warning pilots not to make quick side to side movements of the rudder, because even small side by side movements can cause the rudder to fully deflect. The rudder fully deflected in this case and when it did the force caused the rudder to rip off the horizontal stabilizer making the aircraft uncontrollable. One practice of pilots in a terrorist situation is to do such evasive manuevers as rudder deflections to try to knock the terrorist off balance so he can be subdued. The guess is that a terrorist came into the cockpit and the pilot made rudder deflections to try to throw him off balance and it resulted in a full rudder deflection that caused it to rip off the horizontal stabilizer, dooming the aircraft.

[Sherlock]

the cockpit recorder is fact that what was going on in there but what was going on outside of the plane. topsecret.

Believe me, if the plane was suddenly taken out by an explosion without indication the aircraft was descending out of control from a battle in the cockpit you would know from the conversation.

[Sherlock]

Why would you try to create a scenario where the Jeep wasn't involved in the ES kidnapping? The fact that they created the ruse taking it out in the middle of a repair cycle for some supposed emergency and parking it away from the trailer park, then turning it back in and later denying they ever had it along the lost keys story makes it obvious to myself and LE it was part of a plan. Reminiscent of the caper where Ricci loaned his truck to a group of scumbags that ripped off a food bank with it. Ricci's sleazy vehicle shell game MO. Why would Angela have denied she called Moul then later said she did if she didn't have something to hide? Not to mention the fact Ricci refused to clear himself by explaining his activities in the Jeep or who gave him a lift home from the repair shop. You find out in these cases it's just not that complicated.

[scaredkat]

Did you watch the show last night it proved to me what I new about it along. Those pilots were told when they left for there mission what to do. On all military missions they dont change unless they are told to abort. They never stated they were told to abort. They only changed their story on last nights show from last year. They obviously were debriefed thouroghly before ever going on air. What they did was very harsh for them and all americans. They were told, you didnt bring this plane down those people on the plan our our heros. Also the officer said he didnt have ammo on aircraft this is out right lie.

Im not going to respond anymore on this subject this is elizabeths forem hope you understand.

[Sherlock]

Can you slow down and try to make your writing understandable?

1) What show?
2) Pilots were on saying they chased after the US Air flight?
3) If so, did they say they had a mission? Was it to shoot down the aircraft? I've never seen or heard this.
4) Changed their story - is this the 2nd time you've seen these pilots?

Please answer these questions. I don't believe your story here, nor do I believe any of the wild stories about the ES case you post here.

[landerwy]

You definitely have the Utah drawl! LOL :)

[scaredkat]

Nobody else seems to have a problem with me whats yours?


1) What show?
911 special

2) Pilots were on saying they chased after the US Air flight? airliner.
Did I not say they changed their story?

3) If so, did they say they had a mission? Was it to shoot down the aircraft? I've never seen or heard this.
yes
4) Changed their story - is this the 2nd time you've seen these pilots?
yes

Please answer these questions. I don't believe your story here, nor do I believe any of the wild stories about the ES case you post here.

[landerwy]

It just doesn't sound right! But if you insist on pursuing it go ahead! I'll keep it in my to be considered file!

[landerwy]

Nice touch but where is the jeep? :)