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Elizabeth Smart thread, September 5, 2002-?

Posted on 09/04/2002 8:39:12 PM PDT by IamHD

ES missing since 6-5-2002 and will have been missing for 3 months in a few hours, so I thought that this would be an approriate time to start a new thread.


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To: spore-gasm
Thanks, spore-gasm.
642 posted on 09/07/2002 1:53:21 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
As someone commented recently, there is nothing lower than a Devil's A--.
643 posted on 09/07/2002 1:57:55 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
my point was, that Angela Ricci is not making the rounds of every show on TV.

Only because she hasn't been asked!

644 posted on 09/07/2002 2:12:01 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: spore-gasm
Angela tearfully said that Rick's first opportunity to call her would have been the Friday he died. I had read earlier that he actually called her at home the week previous, but that she'd been away at work and missed the call.

Actually the probably didn't talk on the phone because they knew the conversations would be monitored and there was a good chance they would slip up and say something they'd wish they hadn't.

645 posted on 09/07/2002 2:12:55 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: varina davis
Have a son who's a 9-year officer with the NYPD and a son-in-law who's a Lt. with the SFPD. Another son-in-law is a Senior Navy Submarine Commander (Arabian Sea 9/11), a brother-in-law was a Green Beret

Have you quizzed them about Ricci's guilt or innocence after advising them that he once shot a cop? I thought not.

646 posted on 09/07/2002 2:16:19 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: trussell
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647 posted on 09/07/2002 2:26:36 PM PDT by trussell
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To: jo6pac
Bishop Morrow knew Ricci and his family.

Would you expect anyone giving a eulogy at a funeral get up and recite the deceased's long criminal and violence record? I would bet Morrow struggled with finding words to say.

648 posted on 09/07/2002 2:27:12 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
Would you expect anyone giving a eulogy at a funeral get up and recite the deceased's long criminal and violence record? I would bet Morrow struggled with finding words to say.

"I found that Richard was a very loving individual, a very sweet individual, easy to talk to and easy to be around," Bishop Morrow said.

"To me, he was a very choice individual, a choice son of our Father in Heaven," said Bishop David Morrow, of the LDS Kearns 10th Ward into which Ricci's stepson was recently baptized. "He certainly is not the type of individual that has been played up in the news media."

This eulogy is above and beyond boilerplate. He is either lying or he knew the Riccis better than you suspect. It is not uncommon in Utah for a bishop to get to know inactive members and even non-members in their wards.

649 posted on 09/07/2002 2:51:55 PM PDT by jo6pac
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To: jo6pac
You're right. Bishop Morrow's statements clearly indicate that he is reporting from his own personal knowledge of Richard Ricci, not simply relying on the reports of others.
650 posted on 09/07/2002 3:04:17 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Devil_Anse
I guess the police realized they had a golden opportunity: they figured they could portray MK's evidence any way they wanted to. I think they have overdone it, b/c now some people (including myself) begin to wonder if she really saw all that they claim she saw.

LE has already given a credible explanation as to the reason's they had a revised version of what MK saw on that night. I've explained the reason why they didn't release the new details so I really don't see any problem here. Am I missing something? Why would they say that MK saw something she didn't? What part of this do you think is unlikely for her to have witnessed?

If Lois was in every interview of Mary Katherine, that was not good practice, IMO. I can understand her wanting to be nearby. I wish Lois could have stood just outside during her interviews, though.

I think that the psychologist would want Lois nearby so that Mary Katherine would be relaxed. They conducted at least 4 interviews over a several week period. I think that the first people looked at in this kind of investigation would be the family. If Lois would have come under some kind of suspicion after the first or second interview then LE would have told the psychologist that Lois could no longer sit in. So the obvious conclusion is that they do not suspect Lois of anything improper in this affair. Do you think that LE should still be suspicious of Lois?

You may know this, but I believe it's been said by either police, or Ed and Lois, that there was a clue to the abductor's identity not just in the sound of his individual voice, but also in the content of what he said within MK's hearing. They have not told the public all that was said.

To my knowledge nothing has been reported as to the actual message that was given to Elizabeth by her abductor. We have been told it was a threat and that he was rough with her as they went down the stairs. Perhaps the perp used a distinct dialect or some colloquialism was used. Maybe some profanity or language that would be used by a street thug. Perhaps the opposite, proper and gentlemanly. We just don't know but it is interesting that this hasn't been release yet.

651 posted on 09/07/2002 3:12:54 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
"Why would they say that MK saw something she didn't?"

The police are using their public statements as a means of communicating with the perpetrators in this case. Perhaps it serves their investigative purposes to leave the perpetrators unaware of what MK has actually told them.

As one who has worked in child-related investigations, I would be very surprised if it were true that Lois had been present during all interviews with MK. Once again, perhaps the police have reason to want the perpetrators to believe that MK has only spoken with them while in her mother's presence.

I realize that my approach of questioning everything that the police say publicly doesn't serve to answer many questions. However, I very firmly believe that their statements are designed to convey a message to the perpetrators......NOT to keep the public informed on the actual facts of their investigation.

652 posted on 09/07/2002 3:28:39 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Sherlock
What could possibly be the SLCPD's motivation in publishing it?

They didn't publish it, a newspaper did. One of the biggest controversies in this case has been the possible contamination of the crime scene. I am surprised it took some reporter this long to dig the truth of the matter out. The reporter interviewed the neighbors and found out that the police were there first. What was the SLPD supposed to say when the reporter questioned them? As embarrassing as it was, I think the truth is better here because it would serve no purpose to stonewall the press on the issue. Any defense lawyer would have discovered the same as he interviewed the people involved.

As to why it happened I suspect that most policemen would think "runaway" first rather than thinking of the home as a crime scene. As the police reviewed this fiasco they discovered that their officers were improperly trained. They have admitted to us that perhaps there's a bit of Keystone in the department and that they are going to correct it. It doesn't mean that they are insincere in their quest to solve the crime.

653 posted on 09/07/2002 3:33:43 PM PDT by sandude
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To: freedox
And in spite of all this, police are "downplaying the impact" that this could have on the investigation......

I agree with you that the reporter did not do a good job on this article. It left some confusion for sure. If only the arriving officers would have told the Smarts to not let anyone onto the property then the scene would have been secured. As to LE downplaying the impact we could make some inferences. One would be that they have substantially cleared all of those whose DNA or fingerprints they found. Another would be that they have found some unidentified hair that belongs to no one who would have been in the house. We know that the Tribune article said that no DNA or fingerprints were left behind. Could that be misinformation by LE. Once again, we don't know for sure. I think that they are hopeful of finding where Elizabeth’s body is before they make their arrests. They may know exactly who is behind this.

654 posted on 09/07/2002 3:46:39 PM PDT by sandude
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To: spore-gasm
About your Post 641:

You're trying to communicate with me, aren't you?

What, exactly, is your message here? Are you calling me a plagiarist, or are you calling me Torque, from Capitol Grilling? Please explain the point you are trying to make. You've been to Capitol Grilling, and........? There are numerous forums on which this case is discussed. Capitol Grilling is one of the more civilized ones. Freerepublic, all of it, that is, will always have a place in my heart because its political slant is agreeable to me.

By the way, I see Vinomori from Capitol Grilling on this forum sometimes, but not lately. I think you, your friends, and your trivia have driven him (and possibly many others) away.
655 posted on 09/07/2002 4:39:56 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: jo6pac
"This eulogy is above and beyond boilerplate."

I disagree. But it does appear that the bishop had met Ricci personally. Presumably this happened when Ricci's stepson was preparing for Baptism.

You're quoting the bishop as having been a definitive voice on the goodness of Richard Ricci, and then in the next sentence you put forth the possibility that the bishop might be lying.

You say it doesn't take an expert to understand the basic tenets of Christianity. But you go beyond communicating a basic understanding--you often lecture others on whether or not their "christianity" is up to par. Yet as far as I know, you have never claimed to be Christian, much less someone who has made a career of being Christian clergy (an "expert.")

I've seen your little game played before. It is there to hide a deep distrust, dislike and perhaps fear, of what you consider to be an overbearing group of people, a group whom you consider to have about half the grand IQ you think you have.

I think my initial assessment of you as a petty, pedantic jerk, was accurate. Add overbearing, too.
656 posted on 09/07/2002 4:53:27 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: sandude
"The reporter interviewed the neighbors and found out that the police were there first."

Well, not exactly.....what they found was one neighbor (Suann Adams) who said the police were there first. Nowhere in the article do the police retract their original statements about neighbors being present in the house when they arrived. In fact, the district attorney's comments at the end of the article clearly suggest that he believes neighbors were present when police got there.

Your suggestion that the thought of this being a runaway case might have delayed the police in securing the scene may be correct. On the other hand, I think it is possible that the police found themselves in the presence of some very influential people when they arrived, and they were reluctant to start issuing orders.

(And before you ask, no I do not have a "guest list" of the people who were present......this is simply speculation based upon knowledge of the Smarts' social status and the general affluence of the neighborhood.)

657 posted on 09/07/2002 4:55:59 PM PDT by freedox
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To: jo6pac
This eulogy is above and beyond boilerplate. He is either lying or he knew the Riccis better than you suspect. It is not uncommon in Utah for a bishop to get to know inactive members and even non-members in their wards.

I agree with you here that this Bishop's remarks were sincere. There are some indications that Richard had a good side and that is what he would have presented to someone from the clergy. He certainly wouldn't be unique in that. I'm sure that there was good in his life but that doesn't remove him from suspicion in this case. I do find it interesting that his family didn't attend the funeral. The area of Nevada that they are from (Ely I believe) is several hours away (you tell me how far Joe, I don't want to fight) and perhaps they couldn't get away.

658 posted on 09/07/2002 5:04:20 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Devil_Anse
You're one sick puppy.
659 posted on 09/07/2002 5:06:03 PM PDT by jo6pac
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To: freedox
However, I very firmly believe that their statements are designed to convey a message to the perpetrators......NOT to keep the public informed on the actual facts of their investigation.

I agree with you here and perhaps there are things about the interviews with MK that we know nothing of.

660 posted on 09/07/2002 5:07:06 PM PDT by sandude
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