Elizabeth Smart thread, September 5, 2002-?

[IamHD]

ES missing since 6-5-2002 and will have been missing for 3 months in a few hours, so I thought that this would be an approriate time to start a new thread.

[varina davis]

We won't know for sure until this thing breaks open.

Sandude, I truly have a hunch it won't be too long now before it breaks open.

[sandude]

Sandude, I truly have a hunch it won't be too long now before it breaks open.

I hope you're right.

[Devil_Anse]

I don't disagree with everything you post. For example, the info about Dixon has intrigued me, and I am wondering about him. You must know, however, that a search of Utah sex offenders shows lots of offenders within the Smarts' zip code. If this Dixon is a molester, still, it seems his M.O. is different from that of sneaking into girls' bedrooms at night.

I know that it is presumptuous to be new in a place, and be judgmental of the people who were there long before. I feel like the guy in some "Twilight Zone" episode, I vaguely remember it, he shows up in a small town and they can't figure out how he knows so much. Wait, it may have been an "Andy Griffith" episode. I know what I know b/c I've read all the freerepublic Smart case threads.

Anyway, I have seen you dump on people with one-liners which, IMO, added nothing to the discussion, but did much to reduce the civility I've usually observed on freerepublic. Today, as I said earlier,I've seen you exploring possibilities. My opinion of you won't make a difference one way or the other, but anyway IMO your mind seemed more open today.

Personal reasons? On an internet forum? If you are really located due South, then you are located in one of my favorite regions of the country.

[Sherlock]

Deseret News, Saturday, June 29, 2002

Police find nothing new in Smart case

Ricci denies any involvement in the abduction

By Pat Reavy Deseret News staff writer

While the media continued Friday to report suspicious items found in the trailer home of Richard Albert Ricci's father-in-law, Salt Lake police said they had nothing new to report in the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping investigation.

Salt Lake City Police Capt. Scott Atkinson said he could not make any comments regarding a cap and machete-like knife found at the home of David Morse Sr., Ricci's father-in-law. Police skipped the daily press conference with the Smart family Friday for the third consecutive day because there was no new information to release.

FBI supervisory special agent Kevin Eaton also said he had "no comment" regarding anything related to Ricci. However, Eaton did confirm Friday that a small portion of nighttime video taken of a vehicle from a security camera at Shriner's Hospital was being sent to FBI headquarters in Quantico, Va., for analysis. There are two or three minutes on the grainy tape that investigators hope the FBI lab can enhance. That was all Eaton said he could say about the tape.

[stlnative]

Landerwy
Please help me locate this address on mapquest, everytime I enter it it tells me it cannot find it. SLC seems to have odd addresses. I would like to find out what sits at this address and if it is actually located in the heart area of SLC or if it off in a rural area of SLC. Thanks in advance

12643 E 7199 S

[varina davis]

If you are really located due South, then you are located in one of my favorite regions of the country.

I really am -- and my ancestors before me.

Not that it matters, but when I joined this thread, I was interested in the Smart case and felt terrible about this young girl (still do). I was shocked and stunned by the vicious attacks from posters like JG, sherlock and a few others. Because I appreciated many of the others here, I wanted to stay and so I switched to an offense/defense mode. I wasn't brought up to turn the other cheek, so to speak.

If you have been reading from the beginning, as you claim, you know this is true. As I said, it really doesn't matter, but since you brought it up....

And frankly, I strongly suspect that what I've just said will be pounced upon as usual with the same nasty name-calling.

[trussell]

And you did this because.......?

I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

You might try looking at the bottom of the post that says it was referring to post #415. Then go to post #415 and see what was there.

[varina davis]

I did that and I still don't know what he's talking about.

[Utah Girl]

FINAL SCORE: BYU 35 Hawaii 32. Great game too.

[varina davis]

Great game too.

It was -- I saw part of it. That on-side kick in the last few seconds was doomed.

[Utah Girl]

The neighborhoods are not that close varina. Federal Heights is up above the University of Utah campus. That bishop lives five miles away, but it is right through SLC on the bench, and on a good day takes at least 10 minutes to traverse. I'd average it out as 15 to 20 minutes...

[Devil_Anse]

"I've felt that the people in question here were lovers that were cheating on their significant others."

Wow, I never thought of that!

You know, you said a mouthful--that sort of thing could possibly explain some of the other things in this case, too. One, it could provide one non-Elizabeth-related reason why Ricci clammed up completely about the whereabouts of his jeep--maybe he'd lent it to a girlfriend, or a friend of a girlfriend. Just speculation of course.

Two, and I'm reaching for a very dim memory here, but it seems to me that Tom Smart, whose polygraph was "inconclusive," may have muddled his polygraph b/c of some possible hanky panky on his part(he may not have wanted to tell police about it)--but nothing to do with Elizabeth. Again, just speculation, wish I could remember where I read that.

[Utah Girl]

You grossly underestimate Mormon wives!

That is sooo true! I'd say most of us are not too docile...

[varina davis]

That bishop lives five miles away, but it is right through SLC on the bench, and on a good day takes at least 10 minutes to traverse. I'd average it out as 15 to 20 minutes...

Yes, that was time factor given by mapquest. It's just a lot closer than Magna, or Kearns or many other areas.

[Devil_Anse]

"A white baseball cap? I don't think so."

Sure it was a white baseball cap!

You don't mean you swallowed that blatant frame-up of Ricci, in which the police hurriedly changed it to a tan golf cap just because they found a tan golf cap in Ricci's father-in-law's home?

"Don't bishops (and other clergymen) usually wear dark shoes?"

Not when they may have to run fast, such as when they commit a burglary.

[stlnative]

Utah Girl can you help me find the proper way to enter this SLC addy into mapquest so that it will come up. The address was taken from doing some research... I want to zoom in on an ariel picture of this address, but mapquest will not accept the addy. This address was taken from some legal documents, so I assume that it is a correct address.

12643 E 7199 S

Thanks

[Utah Girl]

I don't mean to barge in, but that address is odd. 12643 E would be like right in the middle of the mountains, although that would be 72nd South, which is the exit to go to the ski resorts. That would be Big Cottonwood Canyon, and the Brighton ski resort is located in...Big Cottonwood Canyon.

[Utah Girl]

I'm doing some research right now, that address intrigues me...

[Sherlock]

ABC News - June 17, 2002

A security guard at a hospital near the Smarts' home said today that police may have let a potential clue in the disappearance go unexamined for eight days, but a spokesman for the Salt Lake City Police Department denied the accusation.

Fred Trujillo, a security guard at a hospital just blocks from the Smarts' home, told ABCNEWS that on the night of the alleged abduction he reported a suspicious car to police.

It is unusual to see any car in the parking lot of the hospital in the middle of the night, Trujillo said, and the incident was all the more unusual because the driver seemed to want to conceal the vehicle, which he said was a white or silver sedan.

The driver turned off the lights when he pulled into the parking lot and pulled up behind trees, as though hoping to avoid being seen, the guard said.

When the car left the parking lot, it headed in the direction of the neighborhood where the Smarts live, Trujillo said.

"The time they say Elizabeth was abducted, somewhere between 1 and 2 a.m., I saw the vehicle going up toward Federal Heights," Trujillo said.

He said investigators failed to follow up on the report until eight days after Elizabeth Smart disappeared from her bedroom, taken, according to her younger sister, by a man armed with a gun.

Trujillo said he called 911 when he first saw the car in the parking lot of the Shriners' Hospital, and when he heard of the kidnapping he called police again to tell them that he had a security camera videotape of the vehicle.

Police collected the tape, but returned eight days later to ask if they could watch it on hospital equipment, because they did not have a machine that was compatible with the tape, Trujillo said.

Salt Lake City police spokesman Sgt. Fred Louis denied the security guard's claim and told ABCNEWS.com that investigators looked at the tape the day Elizabeth disappeared and they did not find anything significant on it.

Police did return to the hospital later, as Trujillo claimed, to view it on the hospital's equipment, but again found nothing they considered useful to the investigation, Louis said.

[Devil_Anse]

Speaking of the University of Utah campus, what exactly is that large white U that is seen on aerial maps of the area? I recall seeing those maps, the maps including the Smart neighborhood, and wondering about the big white U. Is it just a marker of some sort, or is it a building or something?