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Elizabeth Smart thread, September 5, 2002-?

Posted on 09/04/2002 8:39:12 PM PDT by IamHD

ES missing since 6-5-2002 and will have been missing for 3 months in a few hours, so I thought that this would be an approriate time to start a new thread.


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To: home educate
Is there a prob with being new to Free Republic?

That depends! During the period leading up to the Clinton Impeachment, there were lots of disruptors who showed their (both) faces by defending the bent one. During the primary elections, dozens of McCainiacs showed up to pitch his virtues. You could usually tell by their registration date coupled with their agenda.

You don't seem to have one - agenda. All I have seen from you are reasoned posts. Those who have the most trouble with your posts are from the Logic-Free Zone, and rarely, if ever, post anything that even remotely contributes to the solution of the Smart case.

1,061 posted on 09/11/2002 4:22:16 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: home educate
Secondly: you're making a statement of fact that I have posted only to this thread and that's simply not true.

Pardon me, but you should never expect varina to post something that is true. Many of her posts are repeated distortions.

1,062 posted on 09/11/2002 4:28:49 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: home educate
I think I'm gonna stay out of posting on this thread and just read.

Don't you dare! I appreciate your posts. Stick with it.

1,063 posted on 09/11/2002 4:31:18 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Devil_Anse
also, regarding edmunds: how did the police figure out it was him from an erroneous milkman plate sighting. then even if they had the plate number currently on edmunds car, it wasn't his plate anyway, it was a stolen plate. sounds fishy.
1,065 posted on 09/11/2002 4:40:32 PM PDT by jandji
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To: varina davis
Im related to davis/davies just thought that was cool.
1,066 posted on 09/11/2002 4:41:22 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: Devil_Anse
Do you think someone up on Tomahawk Drive could have looked down and seen into the Smarts' windows?

I doubt it. Lots of trees, angles and differences in elevation.

1,067 posted on 09/11/2002 4:45:07 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: All
PLEASE CAN WE ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE IT SURE WOULD HELP ME NOT GETTING CONFUSED AS TO WHERE WE ARE AT.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/747615/posts
1,068 posted on 09/11/2002 4:50:18 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: spore-gasm
not only family, but leaves right around the corner from ed and very close to charles.
1,069 posted on 09/11/2002 5:01:04 PM PDT by jandji
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To: scaredkat
Im related to davis/davies just thought that was cool.

It's not my real name, just that of a lady I admire very much. Are you related to her? Her maiden name was Howell.

1,070 posted on 09/11/2002 5:05:32 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: scaredkat
Very strange that police are not interested in these cases.
1,073 posted on 09/11/2002 6:43:00 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert
John Walsch stated 27 of 29 ted bundys victoms were listed as runaways, these are the ones they knew he had killed there are probably 79+ victims. They havent recovered there bodies except for the ones he pointed out.

Statistics on missing children that are abducted by a stranger will be killed in the first 3hrs.

1,074 posted on 09/11/2002 9:16:51 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: varina davis
"Why do you think I took offense?"

I didn't say I thought you took offense.
1,075 posted on 09/11/2002 9:58:52 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
'Scuse, it seemed implied. Doesn't matter, was just curious.
1,076 posted on 09/11/2002 10:11:54 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Jolly Green
So it would have been difficult for someone up on Tomahawk to spy through the Smarts' windows...okay. Guess they'd have to case the house some other way, then. Hmmm...maybe by working there? Here we go again! Back on Ricci Road, maybe.

Part of your post the other day mentioned another remote drive, more suitable to the abductor's purposes than Tomahawk, on which he could have parked his vehicle to have it ready to take Elizabeth. Wasn't the name of that road Federal Heights Drive? (I am going to go back to your post, but haven't yet.) On this remote street, wasn't there a place where the pavement ended, and it continued on only as a dirt road?

Scaredkat says that on Tomahawk, apparently on the other part of Tomahawk, there are lots of things such as a cemetery or two, a Catholic church with a residence for nuns attached to it, and a strange area called Gravity Hill, in which gravity "plays tricks" on one's perception. Did you see that end of Tomahawk Dr. during your explorations?

Do you happen to know if the area of Tomahawk where Edmunds had been stopped by police, and seen by someone (police?) sleeping in his car, was the area directly behind the Smart home?

Also I am wondering if Angela's brother lives in SLC? Wonder if he ever did handywork with Ricci? We know they knew one another.
1,077 posted on 09/11/2002 10:15:49 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: scaredkat
Does the Smart case look like the perp has done this before? Having Liz put her shoes on makes me think he was walking her beyond the driveway and maybe lives not too far away.
1,078 posted on 09/11/2002 10:31:53 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: jandji; scaredkat
I found the license number of the car the milkman saw near Elizabeth's house, 2 days b/f the kidnapping, about 7 a.m.
It was (Utah) 266XJH.

http://pub37.ezboard.com/felizabethsmartcaseforumfrm13.showMessage?topicID=21.topic

Hope I posted the above correctly. It is the link to Brigette's very useful archive of news reports on this case.
If you check the reports for June 12, begin with the 3rd article on the page, "Police Want To Quiz Man In Teen's Abduction."

That article, and the ones following it, say that at first the number the milkman gave police didn't match any known plates. The milkman also described the car he saw as green. Edmunds' Saturn is green. I don't know why the milkman's numbers didn't match at first, but Edmunds was apparently known to steal license tags and place them on his car.

I think maybe that plate 266XJH belonged to another car, another model, so when police ran it they didn't find any car that matched the milkman's description. However, one article says that Edmunds was stopped by a West Valley City officer b/c he had improper registration(sometime after the sighting by the milkman)--to me that suggests that the officer ran the plate while observing Edmunds in the Saturn, and the computer entry for that plate didn't say it belonged to a Saturn, it said it belonged to another vehicle, so then the cop pulled Edmunds over, since the plate was being used on the wrong car. At this point Edmunds pepper-sprayed the officer and got away.

The hunt for Edmunds began, but he ditched that license tag, b/c it was later found by some boys at a ballpark. That left police with a description of Edmunds and his Saturn, but no reliable plate to publicize, since apparently Edmunds frequently would steal another one and put it on his car.
1,079 posted on 09/11/2002 10:44:13 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: dalebert
On thing, I think is really odd, is ed smart went to the neighbors(?) to see if their kids where there and alright.

Why would you be worrying about your neighbors kids and not your own, that is missing.

It brings these questions up
Has Elizabeth done this before? and if so, with neighbors daughter? Where do they run off to? My husband is wonder if they took off down to the frat house below their house and to the east. (college guys are the MOST!).

As to the shoes., everyone has been thinking about her walking from the house to somewhere, I say get of the nine dots and think again. Where was she going that she needed shoes? I was taught there will always be three answers to a question. The first the obvious and the second the more likely and then the third what you didnt think of.
1,080 posted on 09/11/2002 10:52:03 PM PDT by scaredkat
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