[July 4th]

I've dealt with a LOT of HP laser printers and jet printers and they are overpriced and overrated for what you get.

I'll have to completely disagree with that. HP lasers are consistently some of the best in the business. My own personal experience with HPs has been with 4 different Laserjets, one of which is 13 years old, 300 dpi, and has over 160,000 printed pages to its credit. It still runs like a champ, just like the two year old Laserjet I use for more precise printing.

They are at the top of the price range for lasers, but you get what you pay for.

[Home By Dark]

=>They are at the top of the price range for lasers, but you get what you pay for.

HP won't even talk to you if you have a set up problem without a credit card number. This is not good service.

[Clinging Bitterly]

> They are at the top of the price range

I agree that the old HP stuff was pricey but very good.
In 1989, I bought a DeskJet Plus for something like $800.00, but that darned thing still works just like new.
Had a Laserjet IIIp at the office that died just last year.
Got a pair of big Lexmark network lasers two years ago through Dell, and they are very fast, but one of them has had a fair bit of downtime. The toner cartridges for those babies will set you back about $300.00 a pop (but they print something like 50,000 pages of our somewhat sparsely inked invoice forms - we have been told the cheaper refills would not come close to that, and we haven't tried).

Back to the old DeskJet, I got about 400 pages from the original standard size water based HP cartridges (either new or self refilled) that you can no longer buy. The new "high capacity" HP cartridges still give me about 400 pages at 50% higher cost. NCR refills and self refills on those seem to get me about 50 pages before they spontaneously dump their remaining contents all over the inside of my printer.

Dave in Eugene