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Elizabeth Smart thread, August 31-September 7, 2002

Posted on 08/31/2002 10:26:34 AM PDT by IamHD

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To: spore-gasm
"The Church" doesn't have the capability to do that.

Well said, except I think you have to first accept the pardon purchased by Jesus Christ on the cross. I don't think some kind of infant baptism does that. I don't think you can join the true church, I think you can only be born into it (born again) like any other family.

Is the ES case partly a Mormon vs Catholic thing with Ricci being a Catholic?

382 posted on 09/02/2002 7:04:20 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Utah Girl
Angela Ricci has a NICE lawsuit to do! :-)
384 posted on 09/02/2002 7:16:27 PM PDT by Bella
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To: varina davis
Spore, perhaps this was where the funeral was held. Anyone find an obit for Richard Ricci?

Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church (Magna)

Rev. Andrzej Skrzpiec

2840 S. 9000 W.

Magna, UT 84044

801-250-6349

Masses: Saturday, 5:30 PM; Sunday, 9:00 & 11:00 AM

Ash Wednesday: Mass 9:00 AM, 7:00 PM

385 posted on 09/02/2002 7:17:04 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Bella
Angela Ricci has a NICE lawsuit to do! :-)

She sure does.

386 posted on 09/02/2002 7:18:18 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church (Magna)

OK. I'm still wondering, why Magna? There is a Roman Catholic Church in Kearns where Richard Ricci lived, many in SLC and indeed, throughout Utah.

Why Magna???

387 posted on 09/02/2002 7:23:06 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
people with chronic hypertension take BP meds daily so it WON'T spike. Moreover, it would be interesting to know if his BP was checked on a regular basis while in prison -- knowing he had a history of hypertension

Very true Varina. You can bet it wasn't checked daily.

388 posted on 09/02/2002 7:26:46 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Bella
Bella and other interested parties, I've checked most of the newspapers and cannot find an obit for Ricci. Do Utah papers only run paid notices? Some places do nowadays. I'd like to know his connection with Magna.
389 posted on 09/02/2002 7:33:09 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Neenah
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS CASE IS PURE ...C-R-A-P !!...

Coverup.

390 posted on 09/02/2002 7:37:02 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Bella
Coverup.

Angela Ricci is very well spoken. Obviously a well educated woman, in spite of a reportedly rough background. At the age of Richard and Angela Ricci, it's hard to believe he/they would have risked an abduction and all it entailed. I just don't believe it.

391 posted on 09/02/2002 7:45:05 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: IamHD
pinging myself
392 posted on 09/02/2002 7:54:01 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: varina davis
At the age of Richard and Angela Ricci, it's hard to believe he/they would have risked an abduction and all it entailed. I just don't believe it.

Ricci wasn't involved...

http://kutv.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_1795594334_html

Reacts to Husband Richard's Death

Sep 2, 2002 3:49 pm US/Mountain

"We're soul mates, we met one and a half years ago. He's very kind and patient, very understanding. His sense of humor was heartwarming. His laughter was uplifting and he gave kindness unconditionally."

This is the Richard Ricci his wife Angela knows. Not a child kidnapper, but a loving and devoted husband

In letters sent from prison, Richard Ricci wrote of his love to his wife saying, "you were a miracle to me, a love like ours happens once in a lifetime."

The last time they spoke was July 7th and now Angela calls her answering machine just to hear his voice.

"This is Rick, Angela and Trevor, if you'd like to leave a message, do cause we're not here and we'll get back to you, thanks."

"That's been one of the hardest things is to not being able to hear his voice," says Angela.

From the time Richard was targeted by police for the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping, Angela stood by her husband.

"He's heartbroken for the Smart family because they were looking in the wrong place and I know that tore him up inside."

Despite claims Ricci borrowed his jeep while it was in a shop for repairs, and drove it hundreds of miles, Angela says that wasn't possible because his timecard shows he was at work. When he would get off work, he was home a half an hour afterwards. There was no time for him to be missing, ever.

Angela Ricci says she got to see her husband one last time before he went into surgery for what turned out to be a fatal brain hemorrhage.

"And I kissed his big toe because I couldn't get to his face."

For three days she stayed with Richard at his bedside. After learning from doctors that Richard would never recover, Angela was prompted to take him off life support.

“Because I love Rick and I respect Rick it was just right, it was just right and I'm at peace with that," says Angela.

Copyright 2002 KUTV Channel 2

393 posted on 09/02/2002 7:55:27 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Bella
Your the lawyer Bella, who is she going to sue besides me?
394 posted on 09/02/2002 8:09:27 PM PDT by sandude
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To: varina davis
Just guessing...the Magna church may be where the prison chaplain is from.

The teaching of the Catholic Church is that if a sinner makes a perfect act of contrition on his deathbed, or in his last moments of consciousness, his sins are forgiven. The Last Anointing is an outward sign (sacrament) which reinforces this grace to a dying person. That's the short explanation.

Ricci, if he made a true act of repentance (the words in the Act of Contrition are similar to the fundamentalists' prayer..."Lord, Jesus, I acknowledge that I am a sinner; I am sorry for all my sins; I believe that I am redeemed by your Precious Blood; and I accept you as my Lord and Saviour")...is indeed saved, and probably in Heaven at this moment.

If anyone needs a further explanation, go over to the religion forum and ask any Catholic over there. You'll get more information than you ever needed.
395 posted on 09/02/2002 8:13:36 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Palladin
Thanks, Palladin.
396 posted on 09/02/2002 8:16:09 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Palladin
Just guessing...the Magna church may be where the prison chaplain is from.

Palladin, I'm not questioning his religion, just the coincidence of the funeral being in Magna, the home of Javier Sickler, when Ricci lived in Kearns.

397 posted on 09/02/2002 8:20:42 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
This theory doesn't work if it was a sex crime.

Here is the central motivation in the scenario from the post you referenced. (#301)

Maybe his pusher, or someone up the ladder, had a thing for young girls, especially virgins. They talk about this and about Elizabeth and decide to grab her for some fun.

Did you actually read it the first time?

398 posted on 09/02/2002 8:20:55 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Bella
Despite claims Ricci borrowed his jeep while it was in a shop for repairs, and drove it hundreds of miles, Angela says that wasn't possible because his timecard shows he was at work. When he would get off work, he was home a half an hour afterwards. There was no time for him to be missing, ever.

Angela Ricci says she got to see her husband one last time before he went into surgery for what turned out to be a fatal brain hemorrhage.

I believe her. Implicitly. Whoever is hiding the truth has a lot to answer for.

399 posted on 09/02/2002 8:24:35 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
I know. That explanation was for someone else.
400 posted on 09/02/2002 8:26:02 PM PDT by Palladin
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