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Elizabeth Smart thread, August 31-September 7, 2002
Posted on 08/31/2002 10:26:34 AM PDT by IamHD
My prayers go out to the Ricci family during this time. RR was sent up the river and used as a scape-goat. No evidence, whatsoever, linking him to the disappearance of Elizabeth.
May he rest in peace.
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To: sandude
I believe that the girls bedroom is at the very front of the house right above the drive.I believe you're right -- but since MK reportedly saw Liz and the alleged kidnapper in "another part of the house" she must have followed them out of the bedroom.
In any case, it's amazing that all of this covert activity in and out of the home failed to awaken the parents and/or brothers.
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To: jengaio
One explanation would be if she did know who it was, she was less worried than if it was a stranger. She might wait and see if he just brought her back.Excellent deduction! And a theory that just might pan out.
To: varina davis
but since MK reportedly saw Liz and the alleged kidnapper in "another part of the house" she must have followed them out of the bedroom. If I remember right, she went to tell her parents soon after the perp took Elizabeth. The article indicates that Elizabeth was "roughly led down the stairs". So the stairway is the other place so often referred to. She had no chance of getting to Ed and Lois' room because the perp would have seen her. So she turned around and went back to her room where she heard her sisters "yelp". Why she froze at that point is anybody's guess but she had to have been very frightened.
In any case, it's amazing that all of this covert activity in and out of the home failed to awaken the parents and/or brothers.
Not so amazed at this. The doors to their individual rooms were probably closed. The perp may have closed a door or two before entering the girls quarters. In a big family one tends to ignore movement in the night because there is so much of it.
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posted on
09/01/2002 5:06:47 PM PDT
by
sandude
To: jengaio
She might wait and see if he just brought her back. Perhaps along with the threat was a promise that if Elizabeth was good and didn't make any noise that he would only hold her hostage for a little while.
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posted on
09/01/2002 5:11:14 PM PDT
by
sandude
To: jengaio
Hysterical !!!!! ROFLMBO !!!!!
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posted on
09/01/2002 5:33:18 PM PDT
by
Neenah
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To: Neenah
UG, do not be offended. When anyone posts things the Smarts have said, it is because the words came out of the Smart's mouth, and put in print or on air.
You have a predisposition against the family like you have in the Van Dam case and you are happy and jovial in your posting when you think you have things against the Smarts. The reality is you don't have a logical perspective to see the overall picture, nor do you care to.
In the same article (see above by spore), it is reported that there is no evidence. Who is fabricating?
The evidence she is referring to is that while they know Ricci is involved from the failure to clear himself with the Jeep they know there has to be someone else because of the evidence that the person that tried to break into the cousin's house used a chair, the same MO used in the Smart breakin, and Ricci was in prision. The chair at the Smart house had not been made public. And do you really believe everything the police are telling you in this article?
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To: All
Also Thursday, Ricci's mechanic said Ricci was acting strangely when he dropped off his 1990 white Jeep Cherokee for repairs just three days after Elizabeth's kidnapping.
At 5:30 p.m. June 8, Ricci took his car to Net Moul for minor repairs. Moul describes Ricci as an easy-going person who is normally pleasant to talk to. But not on that day.
"He didn't even look me straight in the face. He was not in a good mood," he said. "He seemed more frustrated. I figured he must have had a problem. Something was up."
The Cherokee was caked in mud as if it had been four-wheeling, Moul said. Newspapers lined the floor of the vehicle as if someone were taking precautions to keep it clean. But when he tried to joke about it with Ricci, he got no reply.
Moul saw two seat covers lying behind the Jeep's back seat. Ricci put the seat covers in a plastic bag, grabbed a post-hole digger that was in the Jeep, and walked to the sidewalk in front of the auto shop near 3500 South and 4500 West, Moul said.
Ricci waved to a man who was at the gas station across the street. Ricci told Moul the man was waiting to give him a ride home. The man was Caucasian, had dark hair and was about 5-foot-8, Moul said.
Ricci went back to his Jeep and grabbed a second bag out of the vehicle and took it with him. The bag was full, but Moul said he couldn't tell what was in it.
What also caught Moul's attention that day was the odometer. Ricci had picked up his Jeep May 30 after having a fuel line fixed. Between May 30 and June 8, Moul estimated between 500 to 1,000 miles had been put on the car.
To: Sherlock
Neth Moul, owner of Neth's Auto Repair, said that on May 30 Ricci inexplicably took his 1990 Jeep Cherokee off the lot where mechanics had replaced the fuel pump but had expected to do additional work. On June 8, Ricci returned the vehicle -- caked with mud -- for the other repairs. Police have said they want to hear from witnesses who might have seen the Jeep -- which Ricci received from Elizabeth's father, Ed Smart, as payment for odd jobs last year -- between May 31 and June 8. "[Ricci's] clothes were also very dirty; he was in a bad mood and he looked tired," said Moul, who tried to joke with Ricci about the mud. He called Ricci's behavior that day "very strange," because the usually friendly Ricci did not respond. Moul said he watched as Ricci, after pulling into the garage, filled two large bags with items from the vehicle -- including the Jeep's seat covers -- and slung them over a posthole digger he took from the back of his vehicle. Ricci then crossed the street where a man waited for him on a "grassy knoll" in front of a gas station, Moul said.
To: Sherlock
A minor new point was that Moul said Ricci was all sweaty when he returned the Jeep on Jun 8. Remember the windows were all rolled down on the van when he came in. This would lead me to believe if he buried Liz' body it may have been closer to town. However he could have still been sweating because he was excited and agitated, like OJ was still hot and sweating profusely in the taxi going to the airport even though that was some time after Nicole was murdered. It also made me flash back to when Thurber first saw him on the morning of the abduction and said he had been digging and was all sweaty.
To: Sherlock
Well, here's something that strikes me as odd......Moul is obviously a man who keeps very detailed business records, right? If Moul goes so far as to record the mileage whenever a vehicle arrives at his shop, it seems odd to me that he would release a vehicle (with money still owed) without even obtaining a signature acknowledging who was taking the vehicle, what repairs had been done, what was owed, etc. Also, I noted previously that I found it somewhat odd that Moul was able to recall vividly the day that Ricci returned the jeep, yet he was unable to recall just when the FBI had come to take the jeep into evidence. It seems to me that Moul's "detailed business records" are pretty selective.
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posted on
09/01/2002 6:44:00 PM PDT
by
freedox
To: sandude
The worst news would be if police are correct about it being an interrupted burglary and Ricci took her because she recognized him. In that scenario he would have no plan for her and nowhere to take her. Thus when the good doctor some distance up and over on Tomahawk was awakened by his wife to hear the car whiz by, then dropped back off to sleep, then was reawanened by a woman's blood curdling scream in the barren hills north of Tomahawk that started all the dogs in the neighborhood barking, that could be the worst news. Could indicate he wanted to take care of that problem right away, drove to the first isolated spot, and the scream was when he positioned himself to strangle her. It amazes me to see that people take pleasure in a lifelong heroin addicted convict, a man that brandished a gun and threatened people violently in a bank robbery, that attempted to murder a police officer, that broke into people's houses while they were sleeping and went into children's rooms. God help America.
To: spore-gasm
Thanks for finding this. It doesn't help clear things up though. There seems to be a contradiction between the two articles that's for sure.
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posted on
09/01/2002 6:53:46 PM PDT
by
sandude
To: freedox
it seems odd to me that he would release a vehicle (with money still owed) without even obtaining a signature acknowledging who was taking the vehicle, what repairs had been done, what was owed, etc
What makes you think he didn't get a signature?
Also, I noted previously that I found it somewhat odd that Moul was able to recall vividly the day that Ricci returned the jeep, yet he was unable to recall just when the FBI had come to take the jeep into evidence.
He was probably unsure if he could give the date out that the FBI came in to investigate.
To: Sherlock
The worst news would be if police are correct about it being an interrupted burglary and Ricci took her because she recognized him. I agree with you here as a worst case scenario although she was probably a goner no matter how you cut it. If Richard killed her that morning before going home where could he have hidden the body? He wouldn't have had time to bury her in anything other than a shallow grave. You'd think that they would have found her body by now. And then there is the mileage on the Jeep. My money is still on the long trip on June 8th. It is also possible that she is still alive.
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posted on
09/01/2002 7:07:22 PM PDT
by
sandude
To: Sherlock
"What makes you think he didn't get a signature?"
If Moul had gotten Ricci's signature, there would have been no need for him to focus on his facial recognition of Ricci as proof that it was indeed him.
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posted on
09/01/2002 7:12:35 PM PDT
by
freedox
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To: sandude
Perhaps along with the threat was a promise that if Elizabeth was good and didn't make any noise that he would only hold her hostage for a little while.Streeetching, sandude, just how much conversation could there have been?!
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