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Elizabeth Smart thread, August 31-September 7, 2002

Posted on 08/31/2002 10:26:34 AM PDT by IamHD

My prayers go out to the Ricci family during this time. RR was sent up the river and used as a scape-goat. No evidence, whatsoever, linking him to the disappearance of Elizabeth.

May he rest in peace.


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To: FR_addict
Maybe he got hit in the head with a brick...
81 posted on 08/31/2002 11:20:58 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Jolly Green
Ya, he was a real fine fellow.

This thread needs to be bookmarked as a classic. There is more drivel posted on this thread than probably any thread in history.

I agree, only 80 posts and enough crap to stuff a Thanksgiving turkey. Unbelievable.

82 posted on 08/31/2002 11:21:32 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Jolly Green
By the way, if we gave a rats rear end what is said on other boards, we would be there and not here. Get it?

BTW, it's apparent that you don't want to hear facts/truth of what's being said, and possibly if you did read other boards, YOU wouldn't be able to control what's being said, get it!? Must want to hide plenty! HAHAHA

83 posted on 08/31/2002 11:23:36 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Bella
I wasn't home so I don't know..However, it doesn't surprise me to hear that she said this due to all the other ridiculous comments coming from them all as we've heard. Wouldn't surprise me they're all sitting around having their pow-wows and discussing what to say next to keep this story alive, and to keep suspicion away from the true perp. There's a hell of a lot more to this "amazing" story and as some posters posted earlier in this case, this story is "BIG".

The true perp Uncle Tom Smart is shakin' in his shorts!!

84 posted on 08/31/2002 11:27:03 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Bella
Also, I heard somewhere that she had gone gothic in her appearance (probably rebeling). If that is true and her parents had photos of that and haven't posted them then it would seem as if they care more about their "Morg Family Pride" than recovering their daughter. Those photos of the different appearance would be CRITICAL in identifying her.

I think that the Smarts have toned it down because now with the media spotlight on other missing kids, Elizabeth would now have to compete with poor and middle class white, black and hispanic kids for media attention. You know, the "Unwashed Masses".

Just my opinion

My, my, Bella, such hatred. Such turmoil within.

85 posted on 08/31/2002 11:29:40 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: FR_addict
I think $3,000 is chicken feed with Ed's money.

There is still the $25K and $250K rewards out there. There are two $3K rewards. One is for information about the second attempted break in at Lois' sisters house. If it was a prank then $3K would certainly smoke out some teenager who knew who did it. The information about the chair wasn't in the press but Elizabeth’s cousin could have told some of her friends about it. As for the other reward, $3K might sound awful good to someone from Ricci's crowd who may know something. You could buy a lot of drugs with that.

As a starting point the $3K sounds good. You wouldn't want to pay $25K to some teenager who exposed a prank. If it doesn't smoke anybody out they could always increase it later.

86 posted on 08/31/2002 11:30:32 PM PDT by sandude
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To: spore-gasm
The Smart clan had better stay off the airwaves and keep their mouths shut or someone with some cajones will figure this out for sure. On the other hand, the more they say, the more likely it is someone will catch them in their putrid lies and misdirections.

Pretty strong words S-G. Care to give some examples of the families lies?

87 posted on 08/31/2002 11:42:53 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Sherlock
My, my, Bella, such hatred. Such turmoil within.

I KNOW the hatred and turmoil is within YOU and your loverboy JG, is this one and the same? Anyway, it goes to prove that you're also DYSLEXIC and FOS!, because you didn't read the first sentence of the post which is--"I was reading one of the many mormon boards and found some interesting posts..what do you think of this? Check out these posts--
http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/index.php3?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery"

You must really want to keep those "secrets" hidden well..guess the truth hurts you!

88 posted on 08/31/2002 11:46:48 PM PDT by Bella
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To: spore-gasm
Smart Probers' Focus on the Family

Thursday June 13, 2002

Why do you and Bella and Varina always post these dated articles as if they were new. Don't you think that the authorities have looked extensively into the family by now? Why do you people hate the Smarts so much? You'll come back and say, "Oh we don't hate them, there is just so many unanswered questions". Read some of your posts tonight. You people sound like a lynch mob. GET SOME FACTS to back up your accusations. At least those of us in the RICCI IS THE GUY club have a good circumstantial foundation for our speculation. We had a reasonable debate on the Ricci died thread today. You guys over here are foaming at the mouth.

89 posted on 08/31/2002 11:54:06 PM PDT by sandude
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To: varina davis
The point is, will they now investigate in places heretofore unchallenged?

None of us know what has or has not been investigated.

90 posted on 09/01/2002 12:01:28 AM PDT by sandude
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To: FR_addict; IamHD; spore-gasm; varina davis; lakey
http://www.capitolgrilling.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=007744&p=20

posted 09-01-2002 01:59 AM
When you compare the California cases to this one, you see a tremendous bond between the primary law enforcement people and the abducted child, on one hand, and spins on the other. When he announced Avila's arrest , Mike Carona actually said that Samantha Runnion had become everyone's daughter. In all these cases, there is an unrestrained, determined effort to investigate, pursue, arrest, indict, prosecute, convict, etc BECAUSE A CHILD HAS BEEN HARMED.

To this date, SLCPD has not met in the public's eyes this burden of responsibility. Edmunds, Ricci, and the others put out in the public's view have not been structured as viable perpetrators, and incredibly, the police chief and prosecuting agencies have never made one credible performance in reporting progress or a even theory of the case. So it is natural that all of us would look at this case in the same way we look at the Ramsay case (protected wealth) or the Levy case ( protected federal personality).

And every time any of us open and visit this thread, the same penetrating reality persists --a gifted 14 year old girl is missing from her family home, yet it is very hard to find any public figure speaking for her, as the primary focus. Carona articulated the outrage of a whole country, on behalf of Samantha Runnion; the San Diego prosecutors spoke on behalf of Danielle Van Dam --who is speaking for Elizabeth Smart? and why does this question even arise? what institutions, or equities, or personalities are more important than a vigorous prosecution of this case?

Some have offerred that since LE had Ricci stashed, they were just waiting for corroborative evidence to build a fool proof case ---well, if that is true, and if he really was a viable perp, LE needs to come forward with suitable disclosure. As for the family, don't many of us still have the same questions Mark Klaas asked so directly?

91 posted on 09/01/2002 12:15:02 AM PDT by Bella
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To: spore-gasm
The sketch, if not of Ricci, is of someone that the Smart's don't want to or won't implicate. Either a family member, a church associate, a politician, or a member of the police. With Ricci gone, there is no reason NOT to release that sketch.

You sound as if you believe the Smarts are running the SLPD and the FBI. Might as well throw in the Utah State Government and the Mormon Church as well. What about President Bush? Where's he getting his orders from?

There are two sides to this sketch business.

What sketch? I don't think that MK saw the perps face. I know that I'm wasting band space stating this but what evidence do any of you have that MK saw the perps face? MK fiened sleep while the perp was in the bedroom. When she saw him in the other part of the house she didn't get a good look at the guys face. Why is this so hard to believe?

Now for the other side. MK did get a good enough look to provide Jeanne Boylan with the material she needed to make a sketch but they don't release it. Why? Because the guy is already in jail and there is no point in releasing it to the public. All that would do would be to prejudice a potential jury.

If the sketch is of someone in the group that you mention above then we would have to reason that the entire investigation was corrupt We would also have to believe that the press is either totally corrupt or completely stupid. At least with Ricci there is some circumstantial evidence. Wait for some evidence, even circumstantial evidence of wrongdoing before you jump to any conclusions. You won't look foolish if you do that.

92 posted on 09/01/2002 12:34:49 AM PDT by sandude
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To: Bella
From what I've read on a couple other boards from people living in SLC and one in the same area, they said that Ed was having financial troubles, and since I'm not from SLC, I don't know.

What??? Just because somebody is from SLC then you are going to accept what they say as gospel? This is the internet Bella. BS is often the norm. I'll bet if I had some of my friends from SLC post on those boards you wouldn't believe them? Why not? Because they don't have anything bad to say about the Smart family or the church.

93 posted on 09/01/2002 12:42:27 AM PDT by sandude
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To: spore-gasm
Perhaps Elizabeth went willingly because she knew this person, but was just supposed to be gone for a few minutes. Then MK hears a few words they are saying to each other. Then E leaves, MK hears the car leave, waits for them to return. But they DON'T return. So then she realizes...maybe I better go and tell dad. Maybe he's not going to bring her back like he said...
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To Spore:
Lately this is what I have been thinking too. The man had a story to convince Elizabeth she had to go with him, either by force or by threats to other people. I think she knew him so she wasn't so awfully afraid although I feel she was scared enough that she believed she had to do what he said. Maybe he wanted her to coax somebody out of their house, or help him someway to get into their home.

I think he told her something that convinced her that he needed her assistance but it was only a ruse. He may have told her she would be back in about an hour. I think that is the reason Mary Elizabeth waited and waited before she told her dad.
94 posted on 09/01/2002 3:28:55 AM PDT by Yellowcat
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To: Bella
From what the SLC papers are reporting, he also received the LDS blessing.

SPIRITUAL SUPER-SIZING: Ricci has been spirited to heaven by the Roman Catholic rites and the LDS blessings.
99 posted on 09/01/2002 6:27:23 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: IamHD
RR was sent up the river and used as a scape-goat.

Uh-huh. Just like David Westerfield.

Sheesh.

100 posted on 09/01/2002 6:47:32 AM PDT by Illbay
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