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To: rwfromkansas; JudyB1938; SamAdams76; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter
>I notice he leaves himself an out ...

There is no out in post 235 (or see link here:  Elijah Visions ) the man was shown angels standing at the four corners of America to judge it and, as we see in his humble artwork, destroy it.  That man is more definite about his dreams and visions than Tim Snodgrass.

>Needless to say, we need to pray this doesn't happen.

That is actually not the true biblical response.  Jonah spoke to Ninevah and said destruction would occur unless it repented.  It repented from the top down.  So repentance is the first order of the day, not trying to change G~d's mind.  He sent angels to get Lot and his wife and daughters out.  He didn't send them to pray that Sodom would not be destroyed or to vote for Congressmen to take up a vote which always melts down to the lowest common denominator and opposes G~d.

Christianity that says we can change G~d's mind rather than lining up with His will is gross error.  He rules and when we come to understanding the depth of "Whom do you say that I am?" then we will examine ourselves, humble our hearts, depart from inquity, put an axe to all sin in our lives and purifiy our souls by obeying the truth through the Spirit.  The only option is to harden one's heart and die in the wilderness as an unbeliever.

Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

~~~
In a different prophecy a few years ago (website now shut down), the L~rd said this:

"... My servants will be protected, but only as many as hear and heed this message. You are to protect them and to provide them with a home, and make them to hear this message, they themselves will decide what to do with it. Do not use persuasive words but only issue statements of fact for them to decide on for themselves. Do not try to convince them of this fact, only tell them what I have told you and if they are mine they will hear and act on the message. If they are not my servants but rebel against it they are doomed to destruction with the rest of this evil land.  ..."

309 posted on 08/25/2002 6:22:45 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
MUCH TO AGREE WITH IN YOUR POST.

I do personally believe, however, that God is . . . how to put it . . . more flexible in lots of respects and ways than we often construe Him or things to be.

I agree that repentance is always a first order priority.

I believe that the destruction awaiting the U.S. is to be moderated if, at all, by repentance.

You mentioned Jonah. God was happy to be more flexible with regard to Ninevah and was stern with Jonah because he wanted the destruction to follow through as originally slated. I think we must be cautious and averse to taking on Jonah's attitude toward Ninevah regardless of how much the U.S. may DESERVE such an attitude.

And, I believe, it is hazardous to presume that we know ALL THE DETAILS of God's inner ponderings on any matter--particularly judgement. We can be thankful that ultimately and overall--our Loving Father has decreed that mercy triumphs over judgement.

I don't know that mere mortals can articulate or define too precisely God's negotiating the tension between judgement and mercy. He often seems to keep His own counsel on such matters. We see the results.

He occasionally or maybe even frequently invites us to weigh in with behaviors which would "allow" Him within His priorities to lean more heavily toward mercy. . . the absence of redemptive decisions and actions of which clearly seem to leave the slant toward judgement in cases such as the U.S. currently.

I'm usually less and less comfortable with stands by prophetic or even very truly spiritual folk wherein they seem eager to assist God in slinging the lightening bolts. I've been in that stance overmuch in decades past and God has disciplined me sternly because of it.

In terms of "changing God's mind"--I think it's also hazardous to take stern stances on that curious phenomenon. Moses seems to have changed God's mind a time or 2. Post Christ, Pentecost etc. it is not too far fetched that even a child could end up changing God's mind on this or that--even a BIG this or that. I don't think we have enough evidence or data on that phenomenon to take firm, much less stern stances on the topic.

I certainly believe that contrition and humility as standard attitudes are FIRST ORDER PRIORITIES with respect to God and usually with respect to man.

Blessed by your post.
325 posted on 09/01/2002 10:33:08 AM PDT by Quix
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