EARTH CHANGES APPROACHING

APIntercessors@yahoogroups.com ^ | 19 AUG 2002 and earlier | Timothy Snodgrass

[DreamWeaver]

I think God would have all of us walking closely enough to Him that we could sense and at least hear accurately Him tell us what was authentically of Him and what wasn't.

So very, very true.

Bump

[DreamWeaver]

I agree 100%. We are a people who paid lip service to God and Country right after 9/11, but that is all it was. The first week or two after 9/11, churches were filled, but we are now at the lowest point in church attendences, lower than it was before 9/11. "God is watching us" and sending warnings but very few are heeding them.

[hellinahandcart]

Well, if you've got the courage, so do I...I had a very bad dream quite recently. I was at the Ashokan reservoir in upstate New York, several freepers were there with me, and we were looking out in consternation over the water. There were strange light effects in the sky and the water. I was saying the word "wormwood" over and over, no one was listening to me.

The dream didn't last long, because I actually woke myself up by saying "wormwood" aloud. :D

I was joking about it the next day, even joked about it on some thread or other here on FR, but it was a really VIVID nightmare as it was happening.

I don't care to report on what I dreamed last night, after seeing that poor dog gassed to death on TV, but it had to do with the subway and was to be expected. Run-of-the-mill bad dream, direct cause and effect. Besides I've always worried about gas in the subways.

[Paulus Invictus]

Yes, but what is the truth in this case?

[Paulus Invictus]

Interesting "California Dreaming." I enjoyed reading this. My sister lives in Granada Hills and their house moved three feet away from their big fireplace and had heavy damage during the Flintridge quake. She also has dreams about earthquakes plus a major fear of them. My Bro-in-law was the only guy in the neighborhood with earthquake insurance. Genius!

[Jeremiah Jr]

Proof? Come and climb the mountain!

[ I ]'s my info...

Jeremiah 50

6   My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

7   All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the LORD, the habitation of justice, even the LORD, the hope of their fathers. [They killed Christ]

8   Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks.

midst

8432 tavek {taw'-vek}
from an unused root meaning to sever; TWOT - 2498; n m

AV - midst 209, among 140, within 20, middle 7, in 6, between 3, therein 3, through 2, into 2, misc 23; 415

1) midst, middle
1a) midst, middle
1b) into, through (after verbs of motion)
1c) among (of a number of persons)
1d) between (of things arranged by twos)
1e) from among (as to take or separate etc)

40   As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.

41   Behold, a people shall come from the north, and a great nation, and many kings shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.

42   They shall hold the bow and the lance: they are cruel, and will not shew mercy: their voice shall roar like the sea, and they shall ride upon horses, every one put in array, like a man to the battle, against thee, O daughter of Babylon.

43 [43rd president?]  The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail.

44   Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan unto the habitation of the strong: but I will make them suddenly run away from her: and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me?

45   Therefore hear ye the counsel of the LORD, that he hath taken against Babylon; and his purposes, that he hath purposed against the land of the Chaldeans: Surely the least of the flock shall draw them out: surely he shall make their habitation desolate with them.

46   At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth is moved, and the cry is heard among the nations. [it takes nukes to move the earth]


9/11

Tanach [Jewish version]

Zechariah 6

1. Once again, I raised up my eyes and saw, and behold, four chariots were emerging from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of copper. 2 In the first chariot there were red horses, in the second chariot there were black horses. 3 in the third chariot there were white horses, and in the fourth chariot there were spotted, gray horses.

Four chariots, mountains of copper. What was in those towers that generated all that trade? Copper in the wires, phone lines, computers...

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Michael Rood's take on Zechariah
The article can be read at: http://www.6001.com/news_sp10.htm

In the article, Michael analyses Zechariah 5, and then some!

Zechariah 5

Vision of the Flying Scroll

1 Then I turned and raised my eyes, and saw there a flying scroll.
2 And he said to me, "What do you see?" So I answered, "I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits and its width ten cubits."
3 Then he said to me, "This is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole earth: "Every thief shall be expelled,' according to this side of the scroll; and, "Every perjurer shall be expelled,' according to that side of it." 4 "I will send out the curse," says the LORD of hosts; "It shall enter the house of the thief And the house of the one who swears falsely by My name. It shall remain in the midst of his house And consume it, with its timber and stones."

Vision of the Woman in a Basket

5 Then the angel who talked with me came out and said to me, "Lift your eyes now, and see what this is that goes forth."
6 So I asked, "What is it?" And he said, "It is a basket that is going forth."
He also said, "This is their resemblance throughout the earth: 7 Here is a lead disc lifted up, and this is a woman sitting inside the basket"; 8then he said, "This is Wickedness!" And he thrust her down into the basket, and threw the lead cover over its mouth. 9 Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were two women, coming with the wind in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven.
10 So I said to the angel who talked with me, "Where are they carrying the basket?"
11 And he said to me, "To build a house for it in the land of Shinar; when it is ready, the basket will be set there on its base."

The word 'woman' (Alef, Shin, Hei) is also translated 'fire.' What kind of fire in a basket, (container) needs a lead covering?

Shinar is Iraq.

801 'ishshah {ish-shaw'} Alef, Shin, Hei
the same as 0800, but used in a liturgical sense; TWOT - 172a; n m

AV - offering...by fire 65; 65
1) burnt-offering, offering made by fire, fire offering

802 'ishshah {ish-shaw'} Alef, Shin, Hei
from 0376 or 0582; TWOT - 137a; n f

AV - wife 425, woman 324, one 10, married 5, female 2, misc 14; 780

1) woman, wife, female
1a) woman (opposite of man)
1b) wife (woman married to a man)
1c) female (of animals)
1d) each, every (pronoun)

Shinar has nukes, read the whole article at...

http://www.6001.com/news_sp10.htm

Home: www.6001.com

[Quix]

Clearly a lot of this is NOT God dictating the Torah one character/letter at a time.

Some people get impressions and pictures and put words to them. Some people get words more or less dictated but seem to err on this or that word nuance or word ending. I give them grace as long as they seem in earnest. . . .and essentially, mostly right. I realize many would scream at such a standard in such an issue.

But present day prophets rarely get put on the back side of the desert for 30 years like Moses to clean their hearing up. And The Bible clearly says it's for the local congregation to judge and discard or not--with full implication that they weren't going to then go out and stone every erring person in that process. See I Cor 14.

[Mad Dawgg]

"I live in Ohio......

does this mean we're going to have a coast?

Cool"

We Already do have a coast...

It is called the North Coast...

Just got back from there and I whole heartedly endorse a trip there especially in an area known as the flats!

[WhiteGuy]

It took 208 posts before anyone mentioned the North Coast.

I thought this would start a flame war with all my friends from Euclid Beach.

Winking Lizard Bump

[neutrino]

Interesting responses, truly.

And Sabertooth, I'd never ridicule your dream - you've had too many cogent postings to deserve that.

All that being said...

Quix, I agree that there are signals. But those symbols are often (as in almost always) interpreted incorrectly...at least, so far as I can tell. Perhaps they're meant to be allegories, and they're interpreted literally. Or maybe the signal changes reality. Or (most likely) none of the above. I have noticed that time after time, from source after source, predictions of disaster are flat out wrong. That's been the case with so-called Earth changes, the economic arena, and so forth.

Sabertooth, your dream is quite similar to predictions that have come from a variety of psychics. Take a look at Edgar Cayce, Arthur Ford, Ruth Montgomery, the Seth series, the Monroe Institute's conversations with Miranon...to name just a few...and you'll get much the same scenario. The white buffalo calf born a few years ago generated similar predictions from Native American spirtualists.

And there are various biblical scholars who also consider various current events to be indicative of upcoming changes.

One could argue that Someone is sending a message, and lots of people are picking up on it. And yet....these predications have been going on for decades that I'm aware of. (I'm a few years younger than you, Quix...but not by that much). In all that time, they've proven wrong in most of the details.

I mentioned allegory above; suppose that Earth Changes are real, but that we misinterpret the images. California falling off the west coast might mean that it slides into the sea...or it might mean that it joins Atzlan. The midwest destroyed could mean exactly what it seems to...or it could mean that an economic earthquake (i.e., sudden shift) caused a lot of damage and many people lost their previous lives. (Example: optical engineers were making 100K per year, and a few have shown up in homeless shelters, per the Wall Street Journal).

So, no ridicule. But a strong suspicion that a literal manifestation of these situations isn't going to happen. If it does, please feel free to enjoy a well earned gloat!

[Prodigal Daughter]

A friend called me yesterday and told me that she had a dream of missiles flying through the air and hitting the city we live in. It was one of those "wake up shaking" very vivid dreams. I'll see if she will add it to the Strange Dream thread.

[Sabertooth]

I'll see if she will add it to the Strange Dream thread.

Let's have her add it here, and put a link to this thread over there.

That thread uses the old software, and takes forever to download.

[WhiteGuy]

Well then......

based on this dream, I'd say that those of us here in central ohio will end up pretty darn important.

Cowlumbus is the 26th largest city in the USA.....

based on the laser line dream, (I think)

1 through 25 all get wiped out.

Cowlumbus Rules

[Quix]

Am in a bit of a rush today so haven't responded to many worthy, kind or at least interesting posts. Maybe later after a trip to Arcosanti and Costco.

MUCH APPRECIATED your thoughtful post neutrino.

I strongly believe it has been satan's well executed plan to garble things in transmission as he did with Daniel's answer to prayer heard instantly but delivered later; and certainly to garble things in the hearer and most certainly in the body politic as well as in The Church universal. He is out to steal, rob and mostly DESTROY as his vengeance for God saying NO WAY to satan's plan to play God. He is hell bent to throw sand in the eyes of all God's creation he's allowed to do so with.

He recognizes his time is short for making mayhem. He realizes in that in terms of individuals, the stakes are high.

He realizes that God is going to increase revelation, supernatural demonstrations and the like. He reportedly wants to start WWIII way ahead of time.

Discrediting prophetic input would be a grand way to increase confusion and turn people off to hearing God directly at all. And earnest but sometimes too foolish even authentic Christians have too often helped him out, me included.

NEVERTHELESS, there IS an authentic prophetic voice in our era. It is being purified more and more. It is getting increasingly accurate. I STRONGLY BELIEVE I WILL LIVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN an authentic prophet of the Living God declares something and it will happen instantly or to the second of when it's said it will happen. People will STILL explain it all away to their rationalized satisfaction.

I believe the instant to on the button timing and 100% accuracy may not be that far off.

However, there is a context when "let the [local congregation or group] test or sort a propehcy or interpretation of tongues--there's a context when that is fitting. Evidently He expects lots of flawed people to not hear 100% accurately in our era.

But I strongly believe HE WILL HAVE at least scattered individuals who hear as accurately as Moses did. I think part of His problem has been finding men as humble as Moses. Too many have their own pride and their own views that get in the way of either hearing accurately or reporting accurately.

In terms of Timothy Snodgrass--I take our Freepers' word for it who know him personally. Their vetting him is OK by me. I'm quite willing to say yea and amen and then wait on God.

We shall see what God does in terms of confirming with signs following. If they and Tim are right, Timmothy will likely be right on the button. I've waited long to see it. I'm sobered that it might be about such a dreadful set of events but have expected the purified prophetic word to be first accurate about such.

I DO TEND TO BELIEVE FROM MY EXPERIENCE THAT GOD *TENDS* TO SAY WHAT HE MEANS AND MEAN WHAT HE SAYS AND TO FULFILL THINGS RATHER LITERALLY DOWN TO THE MINUTE DETAIL THAT WOULDN'T SEEM TO MATTER AT ALL. He's done that in my life over and over.

I tend to expect Timothy's predictions to come true rather wholesale and extensively.

I treat the nonBiblical sources saying the same thing as one of two things.

A) God MAY be using all available channels to try and alert the populations of the world.

B) Satan certainly mixes fiction with truth to create confusion and lead people astray.

I think the more sobering aspect of Timothy's stuff is the WWIII implications. And MANY--WHAT MAYBE AS MANY AS 50??? prophetic types have asserted that if we do Iraq wrong, out of timeing, in the wrong way etc. etc. that we will fall into the enemy's trap and end up starting WWIII too soon.

Even the Bible Codes seem to say that WWIII will occur either in 2002 or in 2006. There seems to be some options having to do with prayer and the behavior of populations--especially The Church. . . . perhaps and governmental leaders toward Israel as Timothy asserts.

Part of me on reading the latest stuff by Tim started to say--wait, we can't have WWIII now, it's not 2006 yet and then I woke up and realized that it's still 2002---a reportedly vulnerable period for the possible start of WWIII.

If a key issue is the lawlessness and percentage of people giving the finger to God is any clue, then we haven't learned much from 911 and God would likely be duty and honor bound to try and send a louder wake-up call if not out right reaping of what so many have sown.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to read the handwriting on the wall. We have all been weighed in the balance and found wanting.

Either we have chosen to apply Christ's Blood for our deficiences as individuals or we haven't. But the eternal and present deficits are glaring on God's balance sheets for large numbers of individuals and certainly for nations and geographic spheres.

Timothy seems to be giving us another chance to attend to our own flaws before God. We shall see how many do.

There's the news of the nukes Iraq has evidently already distributed by terror teams waiting on his signal.

There's the bit about Mexico colluding with China to invade the SW and Western U.S. while Russia attacks Alaska and the Eastern U.S. Such dreams and visions have been going on for at least a decade by evidently hundreds of people great and small of all ages.

I guess I have detected over my decades of watching, sifting, sorting:

A) An increase in better quality prophetic statements.
B) An increase in God's following through demonstrably on the national and international stage.
C) An increase in Biblical prophecies regarding end times being fulfilled.

The increases appear to be in 1) intensit (2) quantity and (3) frequency.

I don't think it's a strictly right upward slop on a 1:1 basis but the average of the line is definitely up and getting more steeply up.

I also have a bias that God deliberately keeps things fuzzy as long as possible to afford more people a more pure free will choice. I believe He does that for 2 reasons.

One, He is compassionate and would prefer that none perish eternally.

Two, It allows Him more flexibility to respond to our prayers and changes in our lives in loving response to His warnings.

Anyway--for whatever it's worth--that's my 2 cents response to your kind post.

BLESSINGS,

[Cold Heat]

Is not Figi located in what is known as the ring of fire area. This area is active and prone to volacanic events as it is where the tectonic plates push under each other. These events while not predictable, are not surprising due to natural stresses.

Highschool geography source bump.

[Quix]

True enough. But just in the time I've been in Taiwan, the 7.0 and above quakes have seemed to increase in that eastern Ring of Fire area markedly in frequency and raw number the last 15 years.

IF my personal sense living in the area has been at all accurate the last 5 years--even the last 3 years--there's been at least a subtle qualitative change as well though I can't describe it in words. The "character" of the quakes has seemed to change though I can't put words to it.

I was collecting USGS data to put on a spread sheet and do statistics on it but had other priorities and didn't keep it up. I'd love to see that for the last 15 years for quakes 6.0 and above.

Thanks for your kind post.

[Cold Heat]

Macro geology has always been of some interest to me. I believe it explains at few thing.

The tilt of the earth on it's axis constantly changes incrementally. As it wobbles on it's axis the resulting stresses have got to be something else. This changes the under sea flow and arrangement of the warm and cold waters and therefore the weather patterns. ie; the nino and el-nino cycles we are just now beginning to understand.

Then again, some have predicted that a new ice age cycle is beginning. Some have predicted the hand of God.

One thing for sure, we cannot do a thing about it, so enjoy.(with interest ofcourse)

[Quix]

A lot true in what you say.

I do, however, believe we can do at least ONE thing about it--

We CAN live daily ready to meet our Maker and we can also probably do as much as we can about walking hand in hand with Him and loving those around us.

[Cold Heat]

Certainly no man would be worse for trying each day to emulate Jesus. The world would be a different place indeed.

[Quix]

Welllll said.

HEY, IT LOOKS LIKE RAIN out my window here in Arizona--Cottonwood. THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL!!! YEA. PLEASE GOD--A BIGGGGG RAIN!