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To: lentulusgracchus
The Virginian antislavery movement withered in the 1820's under the weight of sectional abuse piled atop the calls for abolition from Northern orators. This was a large part of the damage the red-hot Abolitionists did.

On that, we agree. Virginia was without doubt the ‘leader’ of the south. In the late 20s and early 30s, there was very strong support for ending slavery in the state --- I seem to recall the legislature being within a handful of votes of actually doing so. But the radical Abolitionists damnations combined with Nat Turner's rebellion, allowed the pro-slavery faction to push the proponents of abolition into a political box from which they could not escape. IMHO, it was one of those tremendous "missed opportunities" of history. If Virginia had ended slavery, even with a gradual phase-out, I think the pressure on the other slave states, especially those of the upper south, to follow Virginia's lead would have been overwhelming.

This brings me back to the abortion debate of today. The antics of outfits like Operation Rescue and the overblown rhetoric of TV preachers like Fallwell push people on the fence over into the other camp. They allow the pro-choice side to paint the vast majority of those opposed to abortion as dangerous radicals. They do far more harm than good. It is for those reasons that I have little regard to Garrison and others who were strident and un-compromising without taking into account the very real political and economic implications of their demands. Lincoln always took a moderate course in regards to slavery until the latter stages of the war. The only area where he was unwilling to compromise was on expansion and on that he had solid constitutional ground.

84 posted on 08/21/2002 9:43:22 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto
Without getting into the constitutionality of the prohibition of slavery in the Northwest Ordinance (we are talking about a property right, after all -- imagine the difficulty faced by a public law that forbade people to own real estate in the territories), I was wondering how the Virginia abolitionists intended to accomplish emancipation, and what their plans were for the emancipated slaves. Have you seen anything about that? Redemption would have been enormously expensive and would have required some very serious taxes -- and since they didn't tax income back then, the burden would have fallen on the planters, who in effect might have been required to buy their own slaves.
87 posted on 08/21/2002 6:37:54 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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