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To: colorado tanker
No wonder Grant was known to have a drink every now and then.

"Mr. Lincoln, you know that General Grant drinks."

"Drinks, does he? Well find out what he drinks and send a barrel of it to all my other generals!"

This is probably a legend rather than a fact.

Even so, the War Between the States came down to two things;

The North had superior manufactoring capacity and more men.

In this clash of Titans, Lee was the superior general, but the North could replace generals at will. Lincoln finally found Grant. Not a genius, but true fighting spirit.

In the end, the war was basically a bad idea.

To quote Shelby Foote, a Southern historian; "The South never should have picked that fight."

I am getting into middle age now. I am Texan, but I have lived in the North, the South, and on the Left Coast.

I served for ten years in the USMC. With Yankees, good ol' boys, surfers, and kids from the Great Lakes. And a heck of a lot of Texans. They were all good Americans.

Today's battle is not South or North, it is between Americans and the remnants of the Communists and the rabid idiots who want to murder us in the name of some non-existant so-called god.

Let us all try to remember that.

The Civil War is over, long since.

One other thing. There is no wrong in a Southerner taking pride in his heritage and the valor of his ancestors anymore than there is wrong in a Yankee boasting that his great-great-grandfather fought to save the Union.

The war was misplaced, but the valiant men on both sides fought with honor (except for Sherman, and he died a long time ago).

15 posted on 08/16/2002 7:45:30 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: LibKill
Partner: I am a Born & Raised Texan as well, and the point is still the problem....states-rights is still an important issue!

And don't forget our Texas Southern Heritage! (not the school :))

19 posted on 08/16/2002 8:11:10 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: LibKill
Today's battle is not South or North, it is between Americans and the remnants of the Communists and the rabid idiots who want to murder us in the name of some non-existant so-called god.

Good post, and good point.

What you are seeing in the constant revisitation of American Civil War subjects is the broad joining of a debate over the character of the American governmental experiment, and the attempt by academic Marxists to hijack the subject to their own purposes, in much the same way that Dalton Trumbo and the other Hollywood communists tried to hijack H'wood's message machinery to put out Marxist-Leninist themes. Good examples are most of the films Burt Lancaster appeared in, in which, if he were playing the Marxist vanguardist Good Guy, the townspeople (the Bourgeoisie) were always vilified as low-ethics, low-courage, low-virtue, and generally contemptible.

In the current conversation series, the so-called Neo-Confederates (and the other side mostly calls them that) are arguing a series of constitutionalist and sectionalist positions, against Marxist themes of "people's revolution/liberation" propagated from the top by Lincoln and the Republicans (vanguardism, again).

Where the Marxists want to go is, to validate Government as the Sovereign, and the elite Vanguard as the proprietors of the Government. They have something to work with there, because something very similar is what Lincoln had to do, in order to justify getting rid of slavery by armed force and constitutional novelties. To trump the secessionists' constitutionalist arguments, or at least to meet and dispute them for political purposes, Lincoln had to posit a competing theory of Union that redefined the Union, the People, and Sovereignty. That is the Marxists' beginning material. As someone noted in another thread, it may be very significant that Marx himself approved of Lincoln's political theory and his war, a congruence that the Marxist apologists, of course, are a little shy about advertising; but instead, they pick up Lincoln's arguments and run with them.

To complete the hat trick, they identify their own politics as neo-Lincolnian, or standing in a tradition going back to Lincoln, and use his public cult as the figurehead of their own intellectual and political assault on the sovereignty and freedom of the American People.

That's what the food-fight is all about.

23 posted on 08/16/2002 11:42:46 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: LibKill
I have been laid up with a virus for several days and just picked up your reply on the Civil War/General Grant thread. I just wanted to let you know I thought your post was outstanding (and funny too). We are one nation today and when we serve the flag we are truly brothers in arms, whether from North or South. While we should be proud of our respective heritages (and I think the P.C. crowd has gone too far in trying to shame Southerners to renounce their heritage) we should not re-fight the Civil War.

Anyway, thanks for a post with which I agree 1000% and thanks for your service.
92 posted on 08/22/2002 2:48:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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