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Judge Mudd Refuses Sequester Plea: Westerfield Jury Verdict In Sep? (Aug. 16th Verdict Watch)
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| August 15, 2002
| Jeff Dillion/Steve Perez
Posted on 08/16/2002 6:39:20 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: John Jamieson; wonders
But, would the blow flies be interested in the body after all that time? One of the bug guys, I think Haskell, said there were blow flies and the time frame for them is pretty tight since they like "fresh" (This is so awful. That poor girl). I think I have to agree with wonders and say that perhaps she was still alive until maybe the middle of February. I know I'm coming in late to the discussion but this is bothering me.
To: wonders
At least you have knowledge and are not just "supposin" like many of us. Thanks for sharing.
To: itsahoot
Possums will eat just about anything. Still, I like possums (I'm from Tennessee) -- they're kewl animals, and they're "nature's little sanitary engineers."
There are no possums in former Yugoslavia, but there were lots of loose pigs after the war... so saw lots of what pigs will do, but no first-hand experience with possums in such a situation. I couldn't eat pork for a year after that. I could tell stories, but won't.
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posted on
08/16/2002 8:31:38 PM PDT
by
wonders
To: wonders
Well, it wouldn't be too hard to mimic the old position approximately, which is all it would take But why bother to go through all that trouble? unless of course it is a particular ritual of the perp's (seriel killer)
any small differences ref livor mortis could be put down to animals pulling at the body
I agree entirely!
I agree that the most logical and straightforward explanation is that she was, indeed, killed around Feb 14-18. Rather unpleasant conclusion, but certainly the most logical one.
But then what about the blood near the driveway of the VanDam home? and in their house? I have always wondered about this, almost gives the impression that the child might have been injured in either of these two areas (automobile?)but there were no blunt trauma injurues and not enough evidence to show any major soft tissue damage.
Do you have any theories about the childs missing teeth?
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To: small_l_libertarian
Yes, and it is funny also - but seeing as how I have a short attention span, the moving ones catch my eye more! LOL!
To: All
To: wonders
POSSUM...The OTHER white meat! I live near Possum Trot IN
To: domestice
Read post #751
To: John Jamieson; the-gooroo
No sh!t?? There were dogs looking for his scent?
If this happened, did Feldman bring it up?? No scent, No DW????
To: the-gooroo
Just 'cuz I like you and stuff ...
From TheSanDiegoChannel.com
Also Tuesday, authorities took a highly trained tracking dog through the van Dam home in hopes of turning up clues that will clear up the mystery of her disappearance.
Officers led the bloodhound, on loan from the Riverside County Sheriff's Department, from room to room in the van Dams' northern San Diego house and through their yard late in the afternoon.
"We're going to try to pick up a scent," Duncan said. "This dog is different than the dogs we used the other day, and it's supposed to be maybe a little bit better-trained."
Investigators said they were unsatisfied with a canine search of the two-story Sabre Springs home they conducted within the first few days of the 7-year-old's presumed kidnapping.
"The FBI has utilized this particular dog in the past, and they felt very confident in its abilities," Duncan said of the hound.
Officials would not say if the brown-and-black, floppy-eared dog seemed to have detected anything of value.
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
That's pretty scary...and is worth an email to them..not that it would help. Well after my e-mail (& prolly a thousand others), they haven't reported Dave Westerfield steam-cleaned his RV again.
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I tell people to behave all the time. I just say it a lot more nicely than you ever do.
To: domestice
Testimony was that they could find no DNA or "other evidence" placing DW in Danielle's room. Is that good enough for you? I think that would cover everything and proof that DW was not at the "crime scene" as Dusek called Danielle's bedroom.
To: Politicalmom
Mom tells me to behave quite often, and I dew...right Mom??
FresnoDA
To: CAPPSMADNESS
While I have always maintained that moving the body would be highly unusual and even "ghoulish" (hee hee) as in it would take a very strong stomach (unless the body was frozen) -- I don't think it would necessarily indicate some sort of ritual or serial killer if the body was left at Dehesa in approximately the same position as at death. It's NATURAL to dump the body in about the same position it was in before, and easier, too. Think about the processes after death and I'm sure you'll agree.
816
posted on
08/16/2002 8:43:23 PM PDT
by
wonders
To: ican'tbelieveit
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/703322/posts?q=1&&page=51
BLOOD
SAN DIEGO -- A criminalist said that he lifted two long, blond hairs from inside boxer shorts seized from the laundry room of Westerfield, who faces murder and kidnapping of Danielle van Dam. Sean Soriano also said stains with a blood-like appearance were found on a green and blue jacket Westerfield had dry cleaned two days after Danielle turned up missing He said the jacket -- along with a pair of pants and a T-shirt -- were delivered to him at the San Diego Police Crime Lab. "My role was to examine the items for the presence of blood," Soriano told Deputy District Attorney George Clarke. "I noted stains on the jacket."
Three stains tested positive for the presumptive presence of blood, the criminalist testified. They were on the front right middle, the front right shoulder and the neck portion of the jacket, he said
BLUE GRAY FIBERS
Blue-gray fibers found in greater number on the victim also matched fibers found in Westerfield's home, she said, noting that the evidence was indeed more conclusive when taken as a whole. "The fact that it is in so many places... it's certainly an additive effect," Shen said.
NECKLACE
http://community-2.webtv.net/westri/doc/scrapbookFiles/postedD65.jpg
The orange(Acrylic) fiber found in van Dam's necklace, Shen testified, was everywhere in Westerfield's home. The witness told the court that it matched 20 to 30 fibers found in Westerfield's washer, 50 to 100 found on top of the washer, another 50 to 100 in his laundry, and 10 to 20 found in the bedding in his master bedroom.
The orange fiber found in van Dam's necklace, Shen testified, was everywhere in Westerfield's home. The witness told the court that it matched 20 to 30 fibers found in Westerfield's washer, 50 to 100 found on top of the washer, another 50 to 100 in his laundry, and 10 to 20 found in the bedding in his master bedroom.
FIBER
the fiber came into contact with her body at or near the time of death according to shen. (See cyncoopers post) More transcript excerpts from cyncooper
Tanya DuLaney, criminalist (See article or transcripts for verification
"I was specifically looking for types of fibers we had seen in the case; primarily I was looking for orange acrylic fibers and blue nylon fibers," DuLaney said. "And I found a number of blue nylon fibers on tape lifts from the various areas of the upholstery fabric in the motor home." They match 19 blue fibers found in the sheet that was used to wrap the victim's body recovered in East County. "n all the ways I measured and compared the fibers, the fibers from the motor home were the same as the fibers found on the sheet," DuLaney said.
Jennifer Shen, another SDPD criminalist, went on to describe how she found orange acrylic fibers on a towel in Westerfield's SUV and the interior of the SUV that were similar to a fiber found on the victim's necklace. Shen said she found 12 fibers in the SUV's interior: one on the front passenger seat; four on the rear passenger arm rest and seven on the back seat area. She said two of the fibers were excluded as having a common source, but that a representative sample of the 12 was similar to fibers found in Westerfield's home and on the victim's body.
HAIR
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/transcripts/20020624-9999-am2.html
21 Q. DID YOU FIND ANY HAIRS IN THAT LINT?22 A. YES, I DID.23 Q. DESCRIBE THEM PLEASE.24 A. I FOUND THREE HUMAN HAIRS THAT ARE BLOND AND I ALSO25 FOUND 18 DOG HAIRS.
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28 Q. DID THE 18 ANIMAL HAIRS APPEAR TO BE SIMILAR TO ONE59691 ANOTHER?2 A. YES, THEY DID.
10 FROM THE HALLWAY OF THE MOTOR HOME OF MR. WESTERFIELD.11 Q. DID YOU EXAMINE THAT CARPET SECTION LABELED NO. 74?12 A. YES, I DID.13 Q. DID YOU FIND ANYTHING IN IT?14 A. YES, I DID.15 Q. WHAT?16 A. I FOUND ONE BLOND HUMAN HAIR, TWO DOG HAIRS AND17 THREE LIGHT COLORED CARPET FIBERS
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5 Q. DID YOU PACKAGE THAT ITEM AND PREPARE IT FOR6 SHIPMENT TO THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION?7 A. YES, I DID.8 Q. WHY?9 A. THE COMPARISON OF HAIRS IS NOT AN INDIVIDUALIZING10 TECHNIQUE, BUT THE ADDITION OF D. N. A. ANALYSIS CAN POINT MORE11 CLOSELY TO AN INDIVIDUAL. SO THE MICROSCOPIC COMPARISON OF12 HAIRS IS TYPICALLY AUGMENTED WITH A D. N. A. ANALYSIS NOW.13 Q. IS THAT WHY THAT PARTICULAR HAIR WAS PACKAGED AND14 TO BE SENT TO THE F. B. I.?15 A. YES, IT WAS.
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12 A. THAT MEANS THAT TWO OR MORE PEOPLE CAN HAVE HAIR13 THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH BASED ON THE MICROSCOPIC EXAMINATION14 OF THE HAIR.15 Q. HOW DOES D. N. A. PLAY A ROLE IN THAT?16 A. D. N. A. CAN PLAY A ROLE IN THAT IF IT CAN BE17 ANALYZED EITHER WITH NUCLEAR D. N. A. IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE
That's just a snippet of testimony.. wrt:the dogs...the defense won that one.
To: NatureGirl
You know, the passing out on the bed with his clothes on makes a lot of sense. Plus, it might explain why he had the stuff drycleaned - it was so wrinkled from being slept in (as well as smelling like smoke), that he needed it ironed (really speculating here, please forgive me).
To: clearvision
My Hero!!!
To: dread78645
... they haven't reported Dave Westerfield steam-cleaned his RV again. Yep, they did it. Nancy Grace was saying it again today. I believe that woman just loves to be hated.
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posted on
08/16/2002 8:48:46 PM PDT
by
Karson
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