Van Dam Jury Update, Monday August 12th: Westerfield's Fate Lies In Mudd Instructions?

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[pinz-n-needlez]

Accurate listing, John. Sad, but accurate.

[Rheo]

Dang...just posted you a pic of Dorie...she is not the bulldogged face dykey gal....believe that was Karen LeAlcala....click on the red X and show pic if you cannot see the picture.

[UCANSEE2]

So FresnoDa may not be as off-base as many think.

If the VD's are into 'witchcraft' and Dorie Savage is another (besides Diane Halfman) of their inside people, then that would answer many questions about this case.

Danielle could have been a 'sacrfice' they had to make for future success. (gee, they got a new BMW, new clothes, on TALK SHOWS, paid off a house in FLorida).

[Rheo]

Wasn't LeAlcala either..she looks like Cissy Spacek...so it must have been Annette Peer.

[the-gooroo]

It seems so far fetched to think people do this stuff but we know different. Nobody wanted to believe the VD's were "swingers" who had casual sex within the marriage, in their home, a home where they were raising three little children. But sad to say it was all true and I'm sure we don't know the half of it.

[Rheo]

Would this be the gal?

[the-gooroo]

You're amazing! How did you come up with that picture so fast?!

[juzcuz]

Yes, It was Annette Peer, She looks Savage to me...

I just saw her picture... but couldn't get to a wider shot to see the broach.

[pinz-n-needlez]

Q: WHEN WERE THE PLANS MADE FOR THAT?
A: THE WEEK PRIOR. JUST MAYBE MONDAY OR TUESDAY. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DAY. BUT WE DID GO OUT THE FOLLOWING WEEK. I WAS ABLE TO CHANGE MY TRIP SO THAT I COULD GO THE FOLLOWING WEEK TO BALTIMORE.
Q: SO WHICH DAY WERE YOU GOING TO GO TO BALTIMORE?
A: I WAS GOING TO LEAVE -- THAT WAS A FRIDAY NIGHT. I WAS GOING TO LEAVE SUNDAY I BELIEVE.
Q: SUNDAY AFTER THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED?A: YES. BUT THE WEEK PRIOR, THE 25TH, THE FIRST NIGHT WE WENT OUT, I BELIEVE THAT I WAS GOING TO LEAVE THAT SUNDAY AS WELL. AND I MOVED MY TRIP.
From Denise's testimony June 10.

[juzcuz]

Rheo - Thanks for the pictures but I can't access.. I found her pic on SD.

Annette Peer was in charge of getting all the Westerfield stuff..

[rolling_stone]

Well now that she got fired where will she live? Hummm

[Rheo]

Scary, isn't it??...just remember what sites have what...and my handy printout of what day each person testified.

[rolling_stone]

I wish I could get organized like that, if you saw my office you would die laughing.

[Krodg]

Maybe she was told 'think orange' and Lo and Behold, there was orange.

[Rheo]

Don't be fooled....my little office space here is a nightmare...DW notes all over...paper scraps, index cards, pages, etc.....can tell you about the case but not if my bills are paid or how many months of filing actually is in that bottom drawer.

[pinz-n-needlez]

Q: DO YOU REMEMBER DOING ANY DRINKING AT YOUR PLACE OR BARBARA'S PLACE BEFORE YOU WENT TO THE VAN DAM RESIDENCE?

A: NO, WE DIDN'T. WE MET UP AND WE MET OUTSIDE AND -- AND LEFT.

Q: YOU AND BARBARA MET OUTSIDE?

A: YES.

Q: WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU GOT TO THE VAN DAM HOME?

A: WE WENT INTO THE KITCHEN.

Q: WHAT WAS GOING ON?

A: BRENDA WAS CLEANING UP FROM DINNER AND ORDERED PIZZA. AND DAMON WAS ON THE COUCH PLAYING VIDEO GAMES.

Q: WITH WHOM?

A: WITH THE BOYS.

Q: AND HOW ABOUT DANIELLE; DID YOU SEE WHAT SHE WAS DOING?

A: SHE WAS IN THE KITCHEN. I WAS ORDERING GIRL SCOUT COOKIES FROM HER.

Q: YOU DID?

A: YES.

Q: DID YOU SIGN THE FORM?

A: YES, I DID.

Q: LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY MARKED AS COURT'S EXHIBIT 34. IT LOOKS LIKE THE GIRL SCOUT COOKIE FORM. ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND YOUR NAME OR YOUR ORDER ON THERE SOME PLACE.

A: YES. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN HER HANDWRITING.

Q: COULD YOU HOLD IT UP SO THE JURY COULD SEE WHERE YOU'RE POINTING.

A: (THE WITNESS COMPLIED.)

Q: WHAT WORD IS WRITTEN IN THERE, YOUR NAME?

A: DENISE KEMAL.

Q: ALL RIGHT.YOU'VE DONE THAT.

A: AND THE NUMBER OF COOKIES.

Q: HOW MANY DID YOU ORDER?

A: I ORDERED THREE BOXES. NINE DOLLARS. ONE BOX WENT OVERSEAS.

Q: OKAY.WHO FILLED THIS IN?

A: DANIELLE.

Q: WHAT NEXT HAPPENED, MA'AM, AFTER YOU ORDERED THE COOKIES AND CHATTED WITH HER?

A: WE WENT OUT TO THE GARAGE.

Q: WHAT FOR?

A: BARB AND I SPLIT A BEER. WE SMOKED. AND WE SMOKED POT.

Q: WHEN YOU SAY YOU SMOKED, THAT MEANS SOMETHING OTHER THAN --

A: CIGARETTE.

Q: OKAY.WHO SMOKED CIGARETTES?

A: BARB AND I.

Q: WHY DO YOU GO IN THE GARAGE TO DO THAT?

A: THERE'S NO SMOKING IN THE HOUSE.

Q: AND THERE WAS MARIJUANA ALSO?

A: YEAH.

Q: DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM?

A: I BELIEVE BARB HAD IT IN HER CIGARETTE PACK.

Interesting. They didn't drink before they came over, no 'booing,' Danielle wrote on the cookie form, and Barb brought the pot - not Brenda.

[John Jamieson]

Maybe they were all told: "We don't have any evidence, your job in on the line, find some".

[UCANSEE2]

From Denise's testimony June 10.

Is it just me, or did none of that make any sense ?

[Rheo]

The good ole forensic magic tricks!

[Jaded]

NO PIZZA? How sad.