Westerfield's Fate In Hands Of Jury: VERDICT WATCH BEGINS in Van Dam Murder Case

CourtTV ^ | August 8, 2002 | CourtTV

[FresnoDA]

Jury's hands After two months of hearing evidence, jurors have begun deliberating the fate of David Westerfield, who is accused of kidnapping and killing 7-year-old Danielle van Dam

[small_l_libertarian]

I remember those verdicts, but it would shock me if this jury is any less hung up than we are here on these threads.

Maybe they want to beg Judge Mudd again to sequester them.

[Lucky]

This case and your comments are really opening our eyes, thanks.

[the Deejay]

"Sorry, no sympathy here."

Ditto.

[connectthedots]

Until you have been confronted face to face with the corrupt judges and attorneys who treat the courts as their personal playground where they think they can do whatever the hell they want, you can't possibly imagine just how bad it is. I've been facing it for the last four years, but in the end, which is coming soon, a lot of those SOBs are going to the federal pen.

[Henrietta]

Too many prosecutors are more concerned with getting a conviction than whether they got the right guy once they focus on someone. I used to have a very low opinion of criminal defense attorneys until I understood how corrupt and dishonest prosecutors are. Criminla defense attorneys are angels compared to prosecutors.

I agree about the prosecutors. Some defense attorneys, however, are just as bad as the prosecutors, and don't want to "upset" the judge (who hears all their cases) or the prosecution (with whom they have to work, and who might REALLY stick it to their next client) by putting up too good of a defense for a client who is unpopular (ie, rich, white, professional). The defense attorneys are in on the "game", some of them.

[Krodg]

I think the turtle has stuck his neck out too far. I can't see where sequestering the jury now will be of any help now.

[connectthedots]

In my case, I just caught some judges tampering with a court file.

[the Deejay]

"In my case, I just caught some judges tampering with a court file."

E-gads! Why am I not surprised?

[Jaded]

Thanks, I needed that!!! ROFLMAO

[small_l_libertarian]

Oh, I don't think it would do any good at this point, either - it just ticked me off yesterday that Mudd didn't sequester them (which also wouldn't have done any good yesterday) when the jurors themselves stated that they were being approached/influenced!

[Lucky]

Oh man, watch your back, okay.

[Jaded]

I dunno. Those people are from SD. They have an idea of the history of the players. At least Dusek, Feldman, Blackbourne and Faulkner.

Despite Dozeoff's claim otherwise, most of the Reasonable Doubt came from HIS witnesses or people that were originally his witnesses. Graham, Faulkner, Dulaney, Shen and Blackbourne.

[JudyB1938]

Those are the identical thoughts I was just having. Sure don't want him fosterized!

[JudyB1938]

Just wondering ... do you have several copies of all of your information stashed in various places (as insurance)?

[FresnoDA]

And...VAN DAM, Kemal, Brady, Stone....(Easton a no show...Libby a no show!)

[connectthedots]

Some defense attorneys, however, are just as bad as the prosecutors, and don't want to "upset" the judge (who hears all their cases) or the prosecution (with whom they have to work, and who might REALLY stick it to their next client) by putting up too good of a defense for a client who is unpopular (ie, rich, white, professional). The defense attorneys are in on the "game", some of them.

You are absolutely correct. Too many defense attorneys, even the privately retained ones sellout their clients because they are too lazy and want to get along with the judges and prosecutors. Then there are those defense attorneys, a few in every county, whose clients seem to have their criminal charges dropped for technical reasons or are somehow simply never brought to trial and later the charges are quietly dismissed. Steve Thayer in Clark County is a perfect example, except if the prosecutor and judges want a conviction for political reasons.

In my situation, I caught a visiting judge, hand-picked of course, who committed perjury during a hearing. I forced the sheriff to investigate it; the opponents attorney agreed that the judge lied from the bench, the sheriff referred it to the prosecutor; and even thought the judges name is all over the report; the named suspect is "Last name: None; First name: None." True story! BTW, the other party was the sheriff, so he knew the prosecutor wasn't going to prosecute anyway.

[connectthedots]

Yep. connectthedots is no fool. You would not believe how stupid/desperate people get when backed into a corner.

[Krodg]

Yeah, everday Mudd says the same thing 'one more, last chance'. : (

[small_l_libertarian]

Very good point, Jaded. This ain't their first rodeo.

[connectthedots]

I've caught them tampering with video tapes of court hearings, too!