You are probably correct. What I should have said was that it was considered wrong conduct by people who consider themselves to have good moral values. But by your own words in another post ( "IMHO a happy and moral life includes children, which implies settling down by 30 or so,") you do not become moral until you have ceased your premarital activities.
I think a majority of people under 25 don't even consider oral sex to be sex, much less immoral.
First, the under 25ers are more moral than you may think. Most of them belive premarital sex is only right if you are in love.
Second, how can people who have not been taught morals know what morals are? Moral is moral just as blue is blue and just because someone does not think so does not make it a valid argument. You may say that blue is pink but the truth is that it is indeed blue.
Rules that may have been appropriate before condoms and penicilin and women in the work force are just outdated.
Life's truths are valid in any age regardless of feminism or promiscuous sex. If we ignore life's truths we only condemn ourselves to learn them all over again, the hard way.
Let me guess: you are a teenager?
I am 45 and married for 25 years to the same woman. I have 3 grown kids, two girls and one boy. We never forbade our children to have premarital sex because that would only assure that they would. Though my daughters did not remain chaste before marriage they only had sex with their future spouses. (No they did not lie to me.) My son on the other hand is a real horn dog, has not been married and has sex with many partners. Though he uses condoms five of those partners have claimed that he impregnated them. Of those only two turned out to be true. One got an abortion. Because of my son and his sex partner’s immaturity, my wife and I are raising our granddaughter. Don't tell me that premarital sex is moral or that there are no consequences.
I don't know how you derive that. I believe in living morally. I think moral living includes various forms of love and sex other than in wedlock. I happen to believe, however, that one should have children in wedlock, and generally be monogamous in wedlock. This does not in any way imply that I think one should be immoral before wedlock, merely that I think its moral to have sex out of wedlock.
Second, how can people who have not been taught morals know what morals are?
It won't help you to learn from a misinformed teacher. I am trying to lead you to the light.
Life's truths are valid in any age regardless of feminism or promiscuous sex. If we ignore life's truths we only condemn ourselves to learn them all over again, the hard way.
I dispute that. Behavior which may have been forced upon us when pregnancy was unpreventable and syphilis uncurable is not necessarily moral or desirable.
Don't tell me that premarital sex is moral or that there are no consequences.
I honestly don't mean to get personal or to be insulting, so I'll try to phrase this as delicately as I can. Can't you entertain the possibility that the way you raised your kids screwed them up? The most obvious problem is your boy, and not only is he screwed up but he's managed to affect the lives of several others. It also remains to be seen how well adjusted your daughters are, too. It might be that they could have had much more enjoyable, rewarding lives, and it may be that already, or 10 years from now, they wish they'd had other attitudes. It might be that the lot of them would have turned out a lot better if you'd been less uptight. If that's so (and I don't know how we could know for sure short of running the tape again), wouldn't you concede your attitudes are immoral and mine moral?