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Van Dam Case Witness Challenges Findings Of Defense 'Bug Expert': But...His Testimony Don't Add Up..
Union Tribune ^
| July 31, 2002
| Jeff Dillion
Posted on 07/30/2002 3:58:51 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: cyncooper
Heavens to Betsy! That body had been laying out there for one only knows how bloody long. It could have picked up fibers from the Santa Ana winds. The fibers could have been already on the ground before the body was placed there.
Any number of reasons for fibers when a body has been exposed to the outdoors for any long length of time.
Indoors, would be a whole other matter indeed.
To: BARLF
Thanks for going to the transcripts. I just (hurridly) went to the newspaper article.
To: the Deejay
You are very welcome.
503
posted on
07/31/2002 6:08:03 PM PDT
by
BARLF
To: the Deejay
The ANT did it!
To: BARLF
Put up PDVD's testimony if you've got it at hand - It is like a movie that you watch again and again - each time finding something new.
505
posted on
07/31/2002 6:12:06 PM PDT
by
mommya
To: hoosiermama
I was just reading UCANSEE2's pasted testimony & it appears (much like I posted) the body had all kinds of dirt, debris all over it from being exposed to the elements for a long period of time.
Hence, fibers as well, collected on the body. Also, the fibers are only "similar" and could be "similar" to fibers found in just about anyone's home. They are not "unique" fibers from anything "unique" in DW's house or possessions.
To: mommya
Ok, but I'm a slow typist so hang on.:(
507
posted on
07/31/2002 6:13:38 PM PDT
by
BARLF
To: cyncooper
I went back and read the transcript.
It is very hard to tell for sure without seeing what was going on in court,
BUT, my interpretation is that there WAS a HUGE WAD of hair, very dirty/grimy and there were some hairs stuck to the choker with the orange fiber tied to them. I think that your interpretation that a HUGE WAD HAIR had been stuck to her choker isn't right. After her body started decomposing and parts of her scalp were pulled loose by animals, that a wad was there. Maybe stuck to the choker.
None of this (your or my interpretation) clears up how long the hair or fiber could have been stuck to the choker.
SO, my thoughts went this way.......
Little girls tie their hair up with those elastic-cloth covered things. I don't know what they are called.
Could Danielle have had one of those ? Orange fibers ?
To: All
getting hungry, gotta go til tomorrow.
To: UCANSEE2
"Little girls tie their hair up with those elastic-cloth covered things. I don't know what they are called."
"Scruncies", I think.
To: BARLF
Do you know how to cut-n-paste?
511
posted on
07/31/2002 6:21:20 PM PDT
by
mommya
To: UCANSEE2
COuld be, But again ist is not relevant if the fiber expert testified they were similar but not mecessarily from the same source. No need to discuss! MUTE topic. Feldmanized!
That's why we're not hearing anymore fiber testimony. Only if source was IDed and tied to a specific DW item is it relevant. Similar source just doesn't do it. Read the Cross exam. I think you'll find that Feldy got her to testify any time, any similar but not identical source. Or something close to that. Stick a for in it!
To: All
PS Burden of prof is in Duseck's corner....He produced no matching item! ANd yes that's why perps destroy evidence. Could have?? IMO Not likely a Condit!
To: mommya
Dusek,Q; Did you have plans for the weekend?A: I originally had plans for the weekend that I cancelled. Q: What were the original plans? A: To go snowboarding with my son. Q: Where were you going to go? A: Big Bear Q: Were you going to go with anyone? A: With--yes. Bill Libby. Q: And anybody-- was he going to bring anybody along? A: His son Derrick and his friend Patrick. Q: How long were you going to go up there for? A: Just a day. Q: What happened to the plans? A: Actually--The court: Take your time. The witness: I believe the original plans to not go with Bill,and we changed the plans to going with Bill on Sunday instead of going on Saturday. It's kinda hazy now.By Mr. Dusek: Q: All right. Do you remember why the trip was delayed a day? A: Because Bill wanted to go Sunday. I think we were going to go alone Saturday, and then Bill wanted to go Sunday. So we changed it to going Sunday with Bill.
Not only am I slow but had an interuption!
514
posted on
07/31/2002 6:31:56 PM PDT
by
BARLF
To: hoosiermama
Hi, are you guys still here?
515
posted on
07/31/2002 6:32:54 PM PDT
by
gigi
To: hoosiermama
Hoosiermama I'll just point this out in what you think the fiber testimony should be.
One of the lawyers brought out from the fiber witness that he could pluck a fiber from his jacket right there and have her analyze it and the MOST she could say is that the fiber was similar to the fibers in his jacket.
That is the limitation placed on them by the court!
Then common sense takes over and the jury gets to add two and two.
To: gigi
Took my medicine and need some more.....Any one want to testify to that? Feel like $#!+ That's in secret code! I must be quilty!
To: hoosiermama
I don't know was it tylenol or vicodin?
518
posted on
07/31/2002 6:36:56 PM PDT
by
gigi
To: hoosiermama
or tylenol 3 ?
519
posted on
07/31/2002 6:38:31 PM PDT
by
gigi
To: hoosiermama
That's why we're not hearing anymore fiber testimony.AND we just heard fiber testimony yesterday. Feldman tried to pull a fast one and mislead the jury on what the source of the orange fibers could be.
Foiled by Dusek.
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