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Evidence On Insects Likely To Continue: (Westerfield Trial "Creeps" Along At An Ant's Pace!)
Union Trib ^ | June 29, 2002 | Alex Roth

Posted on 07/28/2002 8:56:21 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: FresnoDA
Wake me up when the insect wars are over. These experts wuldn't know a bug from a germ.

BTW, that photo of Danielle has always creeped me out. She looks so incredibly stressed out with that false smile and rigid little shoulders. I think the poor kid lived under horrible stress and would not put molestation or anything else past her parents.

Contrast her near-grimace of a smile with radiant little Samantha Runnion's and you see the difference between a truly loved child and a child who isn't getting what she needs to be happy. Needed. God rest both their innocent souls.
21 posted on 07/28/2002 10:03:16 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: Jaded
I doubt that the body became extremely mummified in just two days as the prosecutor's theory would require.
22 posted on 07/28/2002 10:03:33 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
Roller Coaster, of love, SAY WHAT...Roller Coaster....
23 posted on 07/28/2002 10:03:45 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: PoisedWoman
Agreed, there is something very troubling about the life this child led, as well as the two brothers...can't help but remember the three public warnings Douglas H. Pierce gave as to the "evil" within the VD home...one might wonder just what he saw during his eight hours at the VD house....hhmmmm....
24 posted on 07/28/2002 10:05:38 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA; connectthedots
Night gang, hafta rest up for this week. I mean at work, working diligently of course. What else could I possibly mean?
25 posted on 07/28/2002 10:08:52 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: FresnoDA
YUK? Is that a new sci fi flick?
26 posted on 07/28/2002 10:10:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: connectthedots
There is actually a dance song called "Swing City".

We could open with that song and close with "Love me Tender"

We need a set

And costumes

Hows this for Damon?

Or this

Brenda's outfit will be a little harder..I got a porn warning while I was looking so I opted for the girls night out look


27 posted on 07/28/2002 10:29:17 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: PoisedWoman
Agreed.
28 posted on 07/28/2002 10:53:32 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: connectthedots
Yeah and the extreme mummification caused her to die BEFORE the evening of 2/1 too!
29 posted on 07/29/2002 12:31:44 AM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: FresnoDA; UCANSEE2; Mrs.Liberty; demsux; Jaded; skipjackcity; BARLF; Valpal1; FriarTom; ...
Ping for justice, Ping for Danielle..
30 posted on 07/29/2002 2:55:06 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: FresnoDA
"...even though in our society we are free to engage in any lifestyle we want, it doesn’t mean that we’re free from the consequences of that lifestyle,” Trask added.

Big Ol' "Actions Have Consequences" Bump

31 posted on 07/29/2002 3:48:15 AM PDT by shezza
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To: RnMomof7
ROFLOL!!!!!!
32 posted on 07/29/2002 3:53:34 AM PDT by shezza
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To: John Jamieson
Made it kind of tough to try on all those outfits at Mervyns, I'll bet.
33 posted on 07/29/2002 3:54:20 AM PDT by shezza
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To: FresnoDA
Doesn't it seem like the prosecution is shooting itself in the foot with this "discredit-the-witness" tactic? I wonder how many convictions they have notched on their collective belts based heavily upon TOD and PMI, due solely to the opinions and studies of these experts???

And now, by discrediting their own heavily used and heretofore thoroughly respected expert witnesses, they are completely negating any further use-- or at least believability by future jurors when these same guys are called to be witnesses for the prosecution.

By trying too hard to indicate that the interpretation of forensic evidence is highly speculative, subjective to each "expert," hopelessly inexact, and even unscientific, Jeff Dusek has singlehandedly reduced the level of forensic entomology and even forensic anthropology to that of psychic. (Hello, Miss Cleo? When do you think that body was dumped?)

Puzzling, to say the least.

"Victory, at all costs!" (Pfingst's war cry)

34 posted on 07/29/2002 4:13:10 AM PDT by shezza
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To: shezza
Dusek spends all day Thursday with Rodriguez to discredit the defense's "Bug Guys". Now he has one of his own "Bug Guys" testifying tomorrow.

Interesting tactics.
35 posted on 07/29/2002 5:09:46 AM PDT by gigi
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To: RnMomof7; FresnoDA; Jaded; MizSterious; All
Good morning trial fans! A few motions this morning, and be may be under sail again :~)

So what do the BVD's call their new show?

PARENTING FOR DUMMIES

..of course!

sw

36 posted on 07/29/2002 5:37:27 AM PDT by spectre
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To: spectre
I think this THREAD is creeping along at an ant's pace. I guess that means I should spend my day getting caught up on laundry and sorting through the kids' outgrown clothing instead of hitting ye olde refresh button every five minutes, eh what?
37 posted on 07/29/2002 6:28:51 AM PDT by shezza
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To: spectre

A Fly for the Prosecution by Lee Goff

Review by Mark Benecke, International Forensic Research & Consulting

Source: Quaterly Review of Biology 76:65-66

"A Fly for the Prosecution. How insect evidence helps solve crimes". By M. Lee Goff. Harvard Universtiy Press, Cambridge, MA, and London, UK (2000). Drawings by Amy Bartlett Wright. ISBN 0-674-00220-2, vii + 225 pages; ill.; index; USD 22.95

Click to get one more review The more pressure is put on scientists to publish in scientific journals, or else to perish, the less likely it gets that an excellent popular science book like A Fly for the Prosecution is written. Being one of the old masters of forensic entomology -- that is, the science of determining post mortem intervals, and many other issues related to mostly violent death --, Lee Goff leads us through his exciting and at the same time entertaining world that strongly depends on silent crime scene assistants: maggots, adult flies and beetles, and once in a while a grasshopper, too. Many of these animals are attracted to decomposing body tissue. Their growth rate, and their succession are predictable, and can therfore be used to estimate the time when they started to feed on a corpse, or the time they got attracted to the body for other reasons like predating maggots, or building breeding chambers. This allows a precise estimate of the time of death. In other situations, insect parts can be used as a criminalistic stain that liks a suspect to a crime scene. One of Goff's cases illustrates this -- the leg of a grasshopper found in a pant's cuff of a suspect had a fracture mark matching exacly a grasshopper body on a corpse. Goff, who is not only a charming writer but also a highly experienced scientist, gives many more case examples, mainly from Hawai'i where he is a professor for entomology, and a consultant to the Chief Medical Examiner. The book also covers his important work on the influence of contrasting habitats on the development of insects on corpses, and on the presence of toxins that can only be found in blowfly maggots after total decomposition of a body.

Forensic entomology is practized by only few people worldwide, and the scientific work that has to be performed before casework can be solved, and successfully used in trials, is immense. A Special Issue of Forensic Science International on this topic (http://www.benecke.com/fespecial.html) covers the current state of the art, and the latest scientific results, including Goff's recent work.

38 posted on 07/29/2002 6:29:29 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
(DNA) marker bump.
39 posted on 07/29/2002 6:31:45 AM PDT by bvw
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To: shezza
Well, there will be some motions this morning, in a couple of hours, I think. Time allowing, they will continue with the trial.

Yes, it's nice to be able to get some Monday morning work done, for a change.

sw

40 posted on 07/29/2002 6:35:37 AM PDT by spectre
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