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Evidence On Insects Likely To Continue: (Westerfield Trial "Creeps" Along At An Ant's Pace!)
Union Trib ^ | June 29, 2002 | Alex Roth

Posted on 07/28/2002 8:56:21 PM PDT by FresnoDA

Evidence on insects likely to continue

Trial winding down; closing statements may be this week

By Alex Roth
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

July 28, 2002

Expect to hear more evidence about insects as the David Westerfield trial enters what could be the final week of testimony before jury deliberations.

On Tuesday, prosecutors are scheduled to call Dr. M. Lee Goff of the University of Hawaii as their final rebuttal witness in a trial that has lasted 23 court days. Goff is a forensic entomologist and the author of "A Fly for the Prosecution: How Insect Evidence Helps Solve Crimes."

Whether Goff will be the final insect expert in the case – jurors have already heard from three witnesses with expert opinions about the behavior of insects on human remains – is unclear. Westerfield's lawyers have said they will take at least a day to present evidence to rebut the prosecution's rebuttal.

The trial will not be in session tomorrow because the lawyers and judge are scheduled to hash out the legal instructions that will be read to the jury after the close of testimony. The instructions guide jurors on the law to be applied in the case.

Given the time estimates of the lawyers, it seems likely that closing statements won't come until Thursday, or the following Monday at the earliest. So far there haven't been any Friday sessions in which the jury was present to hear testimony. The judge said the jury will deliberate Mondays through Fridays.

As the case winds down, the battle of the insect experts has emerged as perhaps the final arena in the murder trial. Westerfield's lawyers say the insects found on 7-year-old Danielle van Dam's body prove that it couldn't have been dumped until after Westerfield was under 24-hour police surveillance.

Danielle was reported missing from her home Feb. 2, and her body was found by volunteer searchers Feb. 27 in a remote area off Dehesa Road near the Singing Hills Golf Course in El Cajon.

The defense called two entomologists who testified about blowflies on the girl's body. Westerfield's lawyers say the experts' testimony proves that the remains couldn't have been dumped until mid-February. Westerfield was under constant police surveillance beginning Feb. 5.Photo

The prosecution countered with a forensic anthropologist who said the body's extreme mummification might help explain why blowflies weren't able to access the remains immediately.

Westerfield, a self-employed design engineer who lived two doors from the van Dams in Sabre Springs, is accused of kidnapping and killing Danielle. He is also accused of possession of child pornography, which the prosecution claims shows that he had a sexual interest in girls.

Prosecutors said the pornography – some of it depicting violent sexual attacks against young girls – was found on Westerfield's computers and on computer disks stored on his office bookshelf.

In a trial of numerous shifts in momentum, legal experts say prosecutors scored a significant blow last week by calling Westerfield's son as a witness. Neal Westerfield, now 19, testified that the computer child pornography in the house was his father's, not his.

Earlier in the trial, the defense presented a computer expert who testified that Neal Westerfield might have been the person who downloaded some of the pornography.

"This is a young man who clearly cares about his dad and has a good relationship with him, so he has no reason to say anything bad," said Peter Liss, a Vista criminal defense lawyer. "He was just truthful."

In this respect, the defense's strategy of trying to blame the son for the child pornography in the house appears to have backfired. Criminal defense lawyer Robert Grimes said the jury is likely to view Neal Westerfield as "basically a nice young college kid" who testified honestly.

Westerfield's lawyers chose not to cross-examine his son. They will indicate this week whether they will call any witnesses to try to refute his testimony.


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: danielle; daniellevandam; kidnappig; kidnapping; molestation; pedophile; vandam; westerfield
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Why do you think it happens from him in the first place? Misplaced hositility? Misdirected anger?

I don't know why, but there is this need for some to denigrate the person they are disagreeing with.

Interesting debating style, and not very effective.

141 posted on 07/29/2002 11:15:32 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: BARLF
Thanks Barlf....I believe ya..and didn't mean to insinuate you couldn't back it up ..I just need to see it later when I have more time.
142 posted on 07/29/2002 11:16:43 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: mommya
Oops - bad link - try this.
143 posted on 07/29/2002 11:17:05 AM PDT by mommya
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To: cyncooper
yep yep yep and double yep.
144 posted on 07/29/2002 11:17:24 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: mommya
Bookmarked your post for later read..thanks mommya
145 posted on 07/29/2002 11:17:47 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: cyncooper
Expert testimony is it can take as little as 24 hours. Her body was not completely mummified, but partially. I believe the prosecution theory is bug activity delayed until animal activity took place, opening the body up and making it attractive to insects at that time (plus weather had warmed up by then increasing insect population).

I believe ME Blackbourne testified the mouth was full of bugs....

146 posted on 07/29/2002 11:19:40 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
No problem Kim. I just wanted you to know it was testimony not my own guessing game. I do both you know.:(

Would like for you to check it out tho and correct your info in Post # 65, just to have the record clear. OK?

Thank You

147 posted on 07/29/2002 11:20:40 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: FresnoDA
Looking for non-ad hominem comments regarding a scenario that would fit the evidence assuming Westerfield did it. FWIW, I call the innocent theory the goldilocks theory and the guilty one the "big bad wolf" theory.

I wanted to see how much time it would take working backwords from sunrise for Westerfield to accomplish dumping of the body, as follows.

5 minutes = assumes he enters house, abducts Danielle returns home and puts her in auto.

21 minutes=assume he drives SUV to Sherman's from his home

44 minutes=assume he drives SUV to Dehesa road

2 minutes = assume he dumps body 20 to 26 feet from road.

43 minutes = assume he drives back home

115 minutes total or 2 hours.

If abduction time of 3 am and gets back home before sunrise ='s 6 am, less drive time of 2 hours, then Westerfield would have 1 hour available to rape/kill in RV and be back home before sunrise.

Tight, but doable.

Holes anyone ?

Was he aware of sunrise time and only drove far enough so that he could be back before sunrise ? Interesting that his drop off point would be on a straight line from his home so that it would put him back home by sunrise. Coincidence


No evidence in SUV (taking her to RV and then from RV to dump site).

Ok, but I thought there were some fibers that mathced something in the back ?

Pretty daring/stupid to go to RV (visible from kitchen window). Headlights? Lights on in RV? Noise? Why bother going the RV at all?

According to the testimony by the grandfather/owner, Westerfield at arrived at RV Sat am and no one knew he was there until grandaughter started talking to her. My explanation as to why he went there is because, first I don't think he ever returned home before the abduction because the light in back yard was on. The scenario would be he stops on side street and/or the empty home, enters house, takes girl to auto, then heads to RV. The RV bedroom would be a great place to control and may actually be safer than the homes these folks live in. My guess is the homes in this development were closer than the RV is to the house.

So, he arrives near the RV. He turns out lights as he gets close. He covers girls mouth and/or stuffs somthing in it. He takes her in RV, rapes her, suffocates her, the he removes her to his SUV and dumps her in a place that is as far away as he dares drive so he can be back home by sunrise.



Comments on timeline in general:
Another problem is if he went to get the RV at 7:00am or so is what did he do with her? Leave her in his house? Take her in daylight to RV storage spot? She would have still had to been alive to put the fingerprints in the RV.

You missed the scenario. He only takes her to RV long enough for sex and killing. After that he drives her to DehesaDW could definitely get on Keith's property undetected, but moving the MH is a different matter. Then, why would he return it in the wee hours then come back for it a couple hours later------Wait--cover-up and alibi? But that still doesn't give him much time.

I must not have been clear. I don't think he moved the RV at all. Sequence = Abductuct to SUV to RV to SUV to Dehesa to Home.

If Westerfield did this he did it within a short period of time (as most sexual assaults are) and he didn't have possession of her or her body for any length of time. He is too anal to have a body around and the passion that motivated him to abduct her and kill her would have played out in a short few hours.

I also think the RV would have been a safer and less obvious spot then for him to take her to his home where if it was found she was missing he might get caught from a house to house immediately after.

The natural reaction would be to run and hide with the girl. So, he runs and hides with her at the RV storage place.


One thing to add to my all night scenario. I just found on this page of statement with Westerfield that he said he didn't remember getting home, that's how bad it was.

I find this interesting in two ways. First, if he was that drunk he wouldn't have likely gotten up so early.

Second, it might have been the truth. He may not have been home until the AM. Because the back light was on from at least 10-11 pm and still on at 2-3 am its not likely he came home.

If not, then assuming he abducted her he may not even hve parked his auto at home. It could have been on side street that divides them or in empty house's lot.



148 posted on 07/29/2002 11:22:05 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: rolling_stone
To be more clear, no large infestation of the brain. Thanks.
149 posted on 07/29/2002 11:24:18 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
On the topic of "to delay or not to delay", I have a question.

How is it fair that the prosecution can stall (Rodriguez appearance was intentionally dragged out, btw) and it is okay for the judge to take a vacation mid-trial, but the man whose life may be taken doesn't deserve whatever reasonable defense witness he can have?

It really puzzles me since we are technically considering a man that is still innocent. I wonder how you would feel if you or your loved one was the defendant.

150 posted on 07/29/2002 11:27:44 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
My thoughts exactly!

Thank you for saying it.

151 posted on 07/29/2002 11:30:24 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: cyncooper
I don't know about you cyn, but I have learned more about bugs, mummification and decomposition that I had EVER hoped to. Be glad when it's over.
152 posted on 07/29/2002 11:32:39 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: BARLF
Ok Barlf, that's a deal-it needs to be fixed, that's for sure.

After reading the thread about the 8 month old baby, I bout needed to puke. Did you see it yet? (link to fres in post above)

153 posted on 07/29/2002 11:32:48 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Thanks Kim for the fixit! (Just the facts Ma'am).......;))

No, haven't read anything about an 8mo. old baby.

154 posted on 07/29/2002 11:35:39 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
it is okay for the judge to take a vacation mid-trial, but the man whose life may be taken doesn't deserve whatever reasonable defense witness he can have?

South, first I never said DW doesn't deserve whatever reasonable defense witness he can have. Of course he should. However,Dusek is not doing anything wrong---nor was Feldman---when objecting to certain witnesses and scheduling. The judge makes the final decision.

Second, did the judge not disclose his vacation plans before the attorneys agreed to his presiding over the trial? They did, and DW and his lawyer could have stated at the outset that the judge's plans were a problem for them and they could have been assigned a different judge. At least that is my understanding of how the matter of Judge Mudd and his vacation was handled.

I will say that I do believe the jury probably should have been sequestered and the trial held five days a week to expedite matters.

155 posted on 07/29/2002 11:36:28 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: shezza
I would be interested to know exactly what the judge will say to jury - probably something very general - saying "just ignore what you saw - it's not relavent in this case" - but - I think it should be more detailed - I mean you can't really just forget what you saw or heard. For example - with regard to the A&E special on the body farm - He should say - "You should not draw any conclusions as to the merit of the science or infer anything about any of the witnesses you've heard or not heard based on what you may have seen on that program. You must attempt to "block out" all that you hear or see which occurrs outside this courtroom - blah blah blah - you get my drift. The judge really needs to hammer things home with them - not just gloss it over - I hope he does get through to them.

I think they should have been sequestered.

156 posted on 07/29/2002 11:37:14 AM PDT by mommya
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I agree with you, the nausea is pretty strong right now. That is SOOOO sick and evil.
157 posted on 07/29/2002 11:39:00 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: mommya
I think they should have been sequestered.

Yup, me, too. I also think Cyn's idea of trial 5 days a week instead of 4 should have been implemented.

158 posted on 07/29/2002 11:41:07 AM PDT by shezza
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To: mommya
Right. Do not pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.
159 posted on 07/29/2002 11:41:47 AM PDT by shezza
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To: shezza; All
Did any of you see the special on the body farm? If you were a juror - what would you have thought? That the science is really good? Were any winesses in the trial mentioned - more than mentioned?
160 posted on 07/29/2002 11:51:31 AM PDT by mommya
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