Good-Bye Cruel Free Republic

6-16-02 | wasfree

[sneakypete]

Small claims division?

Why are you dumping on MAF? She's MUCH brighter than you.

[another cricket]

"while the Constitution protects against invasions of individual rights, it is not a suicide pact." --Supreme Justice Arthur Goldberg 1963

I am trying to find the context now.

a.cricket

[tpaine]

You would know roscoe. -- Pretending that you were never an AFholer is ludicrous. -- You hate FR with all your soul.

[Lazamataz]

All I want is for people who may be innocent, to be given the chance to argue their case. We've seen that the government can act without just cause, as it did many times during the Clinton administration.

The legal premise of Habeas Corpus at least allows an American citizen to defend himself because a charge is defined and leveled against them. The present circumstances has Padilla confined, indefinitely, with no charge and chance to refute the claims the government has made. This is bad precedent, Jim. This allows President Hillary to do this to us.

The Friday Wall Street Journal made three recommendations that would be satisfactory. It would establish procedures that would protect our rights, while still allowing action against traitorous Americans when top secret considerations might prevent a standard civil criminal trial. I'll see if I can find the post.

I need to live in a country where if you are innocent, you can defend yourself against an untrue charge levied against you by the government.

[Sir Gawain]

Has Jim considered "aging off" old accounts so they can't be used in this way as sleeper accounts? Automatically nuke accounts after X amount of time (and X could be a year or more). IMO, anyone who selects a screen name then doesn't use it for a year or more is simply trying to place a "back door" into the system, and should be discouraged from doing so.

BAD idea. I have friends that lurk here and don't post, but log in so they can see pings to them.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Nice post :)

[sneakypete]

Reaganesque?

Yeah,Reagan really screwed-up there. Don't tell me,let me guess,ok? You "think" (ROFLMAO!) this is a GOOD thing,right?

[Lazamataz]

Why do you want to go to bat for a maggot like Padilla?

Because under a Bush administration, the maggots are Padilla; but under a liberal Democrat administration, the 'maggots' become us.

[Jim Robinson]

Yeah, right.

[carenot]

. Too bad that some people around here don't support us when we're at war.

But I DO support us while we are at war!

But why shouldn't we say we don't like what the administration is doing?

I thought it odd that the Homeland Security thing was ready so quick. I still do.

[ValerieUSA]

Jose Padilla has already been convicted of killing a man. Let's rant about that man's loss of rights. I have no tea to toss into the harbor on behalf of a murderous thug. He oughtn't have full citizenship rights anyway, he's a hardened criminal.

[Texasforever]

. Don't tell me,let me guess,ok? You "think" (ROFLMAO!) this is a GOOD thing,right?

Yes.

[Ms. AntiFeminazi]

To: Roscoe

Small claims division?

Why are you dumping on MAF? She's MUCH brighter than you.

781 posted on 6/16/02 8:30 PM Pacific by sneakypete

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LOL, I saw that and wondered the same thing. lol.

[maica]

Obviously, one ping a year BY them would override the 'no use in a year' measurement.

[mrsmith]

"The government has denied Habeas Corpus to Padilla. "

Respectfully, I think you have just been confused by his removal from civilian to military authority. Maybe you're thinking of the denial of h-b because he was moved and no longer in the venue it was filed earlier?

AFAIK his h-b from the military jail has not been ruled on.

[Jhoffa_]

Why do you want to go to bat for a maggot like Padilla?

I don't think anyone is "going to bat" for padilla as such.

The precedent is a little scary though.

Do you remember Oklahoma City? Everyone went bonkers after that..

They were blaming "the Right Wing" "Right Wing hate radio" and on and on with "Right Wing" this and "Right Wing" that.

I don't think it's taking up for the guy as much as people asking themselves if this could ever happen to them though they are innocent. It's probably merited in padillia's case, but the "probably" makes people wonder.

It makes me wonder..

[GuillermoX]

Hey, I saw it with my own eyes. If I knew how to bring those posts up, I would. That old freak needed some serious psych help.

[Roscoe]

Why are you dumping on MAF?

I didn't. Short term memory problems?

[sneakypete]

It does not grant them citizenship,

They file the papers,they pay the money,and they become citizens without being deported and obtaining a visa to immigrate here. It amounts to the same thing. It is awarding criminal conduct and encouraging more of it.

[parsifal]

Good points. Did you notice the article on Drudge about how even some Justice Dept. attys were having some trouble with how they were handling the Jihad Johnny case. parsy.