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Congratulations Arsenal on your Barclaycard FA Premiership championship!
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Posted on 05/08/2002 6:29:55 PM PDT by foreverfree

We Yanks who get channel 264 on DIRECTV will see the highlights of the Gunners' league-clinching 1 to nil win over Manchester United this Friday at 8:00a ET on BBCAmerica's "Soccer Show".

But can someone please explain the "Champions League" and the "UEFA Cup" to us Americans? Thank you.

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1 posted on 05/08/2002 6:29:56 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: foreverfree
The Champions league was originally known as the "European cup", a knock out competition for the winners of each of Europe's national leagues from the previous season.

The UEFA cup (Union of European Football Associations)was for the runners up,(and maybe also 3rd/4th/5th), from each of the national leagues, and was also a simple knock-out competition.

The winners of national cup competitions, such as the FA Cup, would compete in the European Cup winners' Cup the following season.

These formats changed in the 1990s

The European Cup became the Champions league, and moved from a simple knock out format to a set of mini leagues prior to the Q/Final stage, with a knock-out format from then on. The main reason for this was to generate more games,and make more money for the teams involved.

In a mini-league of 4 teams, a no-hoper is guaranteed 6 games (home & away) plus t.v. revenue, instead of being out in the 1st round.

The format was recently changed to have two rounds of leagues (even more games = even more money) prior to the QF stage.

It now starts with 64 teams in 16 leagues of 4 teams, with the top 2 (total 32 teams) going into 8 leagues of 4 teams, and the top 2 from each league (16 teams) producing the 8 Quarter final matches.

The Champions league unlike the old European Cup, is not restricted to national league winners, now including 2nd placed teams, and sometimes 3rd & 4th.Bayer Leverkusen reached this years' final without ever actually having won the German league in their history.

The inclusion of runners up/3rd/4th has detracted from the prestige of the UEFA cup because it now has fewer of the big-name teams in it. To compensate, the European cup winners cup was abolished, and the winners of the FA cup now compete in the UEFA cup.

The UEFA cup now consists of 3rd-5th placed teams and cup winners.

If a team wins both their national league and cup, then they take their place in the Champions league and the cup final runners up get the UEFA place.

Hope that wasn't too confusing!

2 posted on 05/16/2002 3:32:30 PM PDT by di_canio_volley
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To: di_canio_volley
Hope that wasn't too confusing!

It wasn't. But I forgot to ask about the setup of the FA Cup. How does that work?

foreverfree

3 posted on 05/16/2002 6:21:22 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: foreverfree
Been a Gunners fan since I was a kid. *L* (Not out of choice, I don't think I've ever watched a game..but my big brother is a big Arsenal fan, so I had to be in his gang...(which were made up of ABU's (anyone but United - meaning Manchester United).

Personally, I'll stick with Irish native games. You yanks haven't lived until you see a hurling match :-)

4 posted on 05/16/2002 6:25:26 PM PDT by Happygal
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You yanks haven't lived until you see a hurling match

You obviously weren't anywhere in my vicinity in the '90s immediately after any of the Sink Emperor's speeches. I've probably got permanent esophagal damage from all the hurling I did.

5 posted on 05/16/2002 6:40:06 PM PDT by strela
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But wasn't it fun??? ;-)*L*

Check out my profile to understand where I'm comin' from **S**

6 posted on 05/16/2002 7:07:27 PM PDT by Happygal
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Manchester United lost? Aren't they like the "LA Lakers" of soccer? ROFL.

If, no..WHEN I make it to Ireland, I gotta see a hurling game. I'm a big hockey fan, and I like Lacrosse as well so this game sounds like it's right up my alley.

7 posted on 05/16/2002 7:34:26 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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Dan, you come to Ireland and I will personally make it my mission to bring you to a hurling game. You may never go home, I swear it :-) ....(And the hurling could be good too! *ROFL*)
8 posted on 05/16/2002 7:55:09 PM PDT by Happygal
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What a lovely part of the planet you hail from ... my only regret about my trips to County Antrim was that surely somewhere, somehow there are stocks of Bushmills that I didn't get to sample :)
9 posted on 05/17/2002 4:30:06 AM PDT by strela
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To: foreverfree
The FA cup is for all teams that belong to the Football Association of England/Wales ,and operates on a single-game knockout basis (unlike European competitions where the teams play home & away and the result is based on aggregate scores over two games).

In the FA cup, teams like to get home advantage. All ties are by random draw, there is no seeding. The only games played at neutral venues are the semi finals & final.

The various amateur and semi-professional teams play qualifying rounds to get into the first round proper of the FA cup, where they are joined by professional teams from the Nationwide 2nd & 3rd divisions.

Teams from the Nationwide first division, and the premiership, join the competition in the 3rd round (64 teams at this stage).

Then the competition goes: 4th round
5th round
Q/Final
S/Final
Final.

10 posted on 05/17/2002 4:40:11 AM PDT by di_canio_volley
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