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To: Mo1
It seems there is plenty of blame to go around as far as the Catholic church is concerned. While I understand celibacy in the sense of spirituality, I have often thought that it should be an option and not a requirement. There are interesting argumernts on both sides of the issue. Our priests can marry in the Episcopal church and some of the priests I have known were totally committed to a life of holiness. The argument can be made that because the church is supposed to be the bride of Christ and because marriage is a type of the relationship between Christ and the church and therefore the closest we can get to God this side of heaven, that the most "spiritual" state that can be attained to in this life is marriage.

There is also the mentality that says that because priests are frequently in the position of counseling people on marriage and sexual issues, that they are likely to be more effective if it is something they know something about personally. This is generally true regardning most issues of life. Of course I am aware that those who embrace celibacy do so with the idea that the one who has a wife is concerned with the things of the world and how to please his wife whereas one who is celibate is not distracted by the things of the world and is therefore more concerned with the things of God and how to please Him. While this is a scriptural "definition" I think it important to recognize that it was Paul's idea of a godly life and while Paul was a powerful voice for God, he seems to have had a problem with women. Peter, on the other hand, who is proclaimed by the church as the first "father" or pope and for whom the church in Rome is named, WAS married.

Either way you look at it, it was not Jesus who taught celibacy. There is a fundamental difference between the Roman Catholic church and other Christian churches which I believe is at the root of this issue. The RC church holds the word of the pope as co-equal with the scriptures and a sort of ongoing source of revelation. Other churches hold that the revealed word of God is the final word, and while priests and ministers and other spiritual leaders have a place in the life of the church, no man has authority equal to that of God and "woe to any who would add to or take away from" God's word.

Many would say that Jesus Himself was celibate and that is true, but when you consider that God's people, which would later come to be called His church, was betrothed to Christ as a bride, then marriage in the traditional sense for Jesus would have made Him unfaithful to His commitment. The scriptures tell men to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her. Christ was in every way a fulfillment of the scriptures and while He was in all ways like us except that He was without sin, in ways of the flesh He was set apart from us as well that the scriptures might be fulfilled.

635 posted on 04/26/2002 6:32:46 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
Many would say that Jesus Himself was celibate and that is true,

There is nothing in the four gospels to say that Jesus was celibate, or even that he was not a widower. The gospels record only what the Disciples thought important, not every aspect of Jesus life.

So9

642 posted on 04/26/2002 6:42:08 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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To: sweetliberty
It seems there is plenty of blame to go around as far as the Catholic church is concerned.


I wouldn't worry too much about homosexual priests, because the BIG deal is the covering up of what they did, after it was found out. I don't think the Church SOUGHT OUT Homos to be priests.

The elephant in the corner that NOBODY will mention, is that Homosexuals, and also many other kinds of criminals, will ALWAYS pursue positions of 'power' in society. ALWAYS. They desperately need some validation and rationalization for their atrocities, and also those positions provide a measure of protection or cover.

My brother told me a while back, that the LATEST ploy by the Homos, was to go to Christian churches, and make an offering with a check. If they do that and they write some charities' name in the 'memo' field, then the Church MUST contribute it to the charity mentioned. If they don't they can get in tax trouble.

He found out about it after several churches elsewhere got into all kinds of trouble about their tax status. They were set-up, and never even thought about looking closely at the 'memo' field on anybody's checks.

It wouldn't surprise me ONE BIT, if they found some kind of documents sometime, at one of these Radical Faggots Associations, detailing plans to subvert the Churches by BECOMING priests and preachers.

652 posted on 04/26/2002 6:49:21 AM PDT by gratefulwharffratt
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To: sweetliberty
I have often thought that it should be an option and not a requirement.

Still reading but wanted to comment on this

Believe or not but there are some churches that have married priest that the Catholic Church recognizes

But generaly the priest are not allowed to marry .. and there is an option .. don't become a priest ..

655 posted on 04/26/2002 6:53:03 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: sweetliberty
Grrrr.....I keep forgetting to proofread. I sure messed that up! I'm getting sloppy.
658 posted on 04/26/2002 6:58:13 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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