[ValerieUSA]

Compare the descriptions of the New World heard by the Pilgrims to the descriptions of the moon or the ocean's surface.

Holland was a cesspool of immorality, hostility and oppression (even then). Religious persecution was a reality in England, and martyrdom the fate of Europeons with faith in God as Supreme Ruler, and belief that men make petty, jealous tyrants. The emigrants were refugees in Holland. These simple, poor people - powerless with no opportunity for advancement, land ownership or self-determination had a dream that could not be realized in their Old World.

[gratefulwharffratt]

These simple, poor people - powerless with no opportunity for advancement, land ownership or self-determination had a dream that could not be realized in their Old World.

These That simple, poor people Ratt - powerless with no opportunity for advancement, land ownership without excessive taxation, making him a renter on his own property or self-determination had a dream that could not be realized in their Old World America.

[gratefulwharffratt]

Compare the descriptions of the New World heard by the Pilgrims to the descriptions of the moon or the ocean's surface.

Val, THIS AIN'T 1620!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can go out RIGHT NOW, and RENT a submarine.

If you knew more about the environment, and how to survive in it, you wouldn't be so afraid of it. :-)