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To: Jim Robinson
No, Jim. There were 139 posts on that thread. Many from Stealthy making accusations he couldn't back up. Personal accusations, and when asked for the proof, the thread died, along with reference to Bob J calling people hicks, and a bit more. I have the thread. Do you want it?
113 posted on 03/31/2002 5:33:03 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: Nix 2
Send me the url. Thanks, Jim
122 posted on 03/31/2002 5:35:18 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Nix 2
I think I was addressing stealthy when I wrote this, but alas, the thread was deleted before I was able to post it. So I will slap it here for posterity and maybe you can see where it went on that thread, LOL.

Sorry to vore anyone, but I'd like to dump this thing somewhere:

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What percentage of Hillary's constituency is Jewish verses 'other?'

I guess ARKANSAS was just chock full of Jews in your view; otherwise the Clintons would be living in an Ozark trailer park with a coon dog instead of getting into the Arkansas governorship and later the US presidency.

The Jewish FEMALE voter tends to be liberal; the Jewish MALE voter tends to be conservative. This is true for other groups at large, except for blacks, I believe, who trend more liberal than most if not all other groups for either sex. Yet, as prosperity increases for blacks, they move to the right. As socialist ideology seems increasingly hollow to Jews, they are now trending to the right as well overall. As the sixties marxists die off in universities, and as cradle-to-grave single-company employment is dissappearing, people are becoming more independent and thus will probably trend conservative over the next few years. 9/11 really booted the trend a bit, but the effect may be countered by the lack of reform in taxation. Bad tax policies have made more and more people recipients of largesse, and fewer and fewer people are carrying more of the tax burden. This creates dependency among those not paying into the system, which means that the US is heading towards mob rule. This mob rule populism must be countered.

Stepping back, the broader picture is clearer, particularly if you look at the infamous red/blue US map from the elections: city dwellers and people near riverboat casino areas vote liberal in the national elections.

Local and state election demographics are much hazier, as people who vote conservative in national elections can often trend liberal locally. Follow the money- farmers are pro-gun but more than happy to vote for a socialist scumbag if he's for opening trade with a communist country which will buy US grain. New York City firemen until recently were on average straight-voting Democrats. Police nationwide trend Republican, but Irish-policemen of Chicago were loyal Democrats because that's where the jobs came from.

City politics are extremely corrupt (because cities are more populist, having a greater percentage of people dependent on public largesse). That means people in cities tend to put aside their personal opinions and deliver votes to the politicians even when they know the politicians are corrupt, because those politicians control who can get a job and how much largesse flows into town from the federal and state kitties.

It's ALWAYS a matter of what people think they can get, or how they think their ox might be gored.

Down in St. Pete Florida there was just recently a KKK rally; a bunch of ignorant socialist whites complaining about blacks. Years ago we had a bunch of ignorant socialist blacks rioting against whites. Now we have ignorant fascist-socialist KKK whites and ignorant socialist-muslim blacks unwittingly sharing support for other socialist terrorists in Palestine. They are joined with with communist-socialist Jews in this support, but all groups are joined for what they think are different reasons.

The white KKK fascist-socialists think they are 'conservative' and 'constitutional' though they are anti-constitution in reality, as are all people who think in terms of a group identity. They support the Palestinian leadership because they hate jews so much they will support anything that is anti-jew. The black socialist-muslims think everyone is out to get them, they support the Palestinian leadership because they see the Palestinian people as a people oppressed by Eurocentric imperialists, and don't know that ideologically, the Palestinian leaderhsip they support are every bit as bigotted as the KKK. The communist-socialist jewish groups are in support of the Palestinian leadership because communists hate Israel because they see Israel as an extension of America in the third world; they hate America so much that any ally of America is considered evil. America stands in the way of the world communist movement and so do its allies. The communist jews are so devoted to their ideology that they ignore their cultural traditions and their history and will willingly get in bed with Palestinian leaders even though the Palestinian leadership is essentially indistinguishable ideologically from the Nazi leadership of the WW2 era.

None of this is good for the Palestinian PEOPLE, who are being deceived by their leaders and raised to be unwitting accomplices to socialist ideology. In addition to th edeception, they are having their children systematically hijacked and trained to be loyal not to mom and dad and the family, but to be loyal to their socialist leadership. Children can thus be used as cannon-fodder, and as agents of the Palestinian 'government' right in the family home. These little bundles of joy will report on their own parents, and this fact keeps their parents mute against the propaganda to the point that they cannot stand in the way of the ultimate deception and subversion of their individual riths: the suicide brigades. This is old socialist-communist group-rights methodology- we saw it with the Hitler Youth, we see it in Cuba with the Pioneers, we saw it with the USSR's youth movements, with China's massacres of their educated and venerable people by their communist youth, and so on. There is great appeal in group-rights populism, in so-called 'self-rule,' in 'moral equivalency ideology' to improperly tutored and deluded youth.

They are all socialists, and like socialists everywhere, of any race or religion or tradition, they are group-rights thinkers who believe that groups have a right to 'be' just for the sake of the group, and that there is such a thing as moral equivalency among groups and nations. They are thus fundamentally opposed to individual liberty, because individual liberty is anathema to group rights, as is the idea of actually holding groups responsible for their ideology, and judging them accordingly. Ironically, these groups claim they want sovereignity, but that sovereignity is often turned into the coercion of individuals who do not fit the group ideal. People with memberships in groups and a group-mentality are by definition not 'sovereign.' Why then, do they think their group deserves that which they themselves do not posess? They delude themselves. Only individuals who fight against populist group rights and who are independent of their group know what it is to be truly sovereign. Groups have their uses, but they are not in and of themselves endowed with inalienable rights. Only individuals have rights, only under the rule of Law can individuals retain these rights against the constant intrusion of group domination, which seeks to impose Rule of Mobs.

Socialism is slick; its lies can corrupt people of all sorts of backgrounds.

Some things never change.

144 posted on 03/31/2002 5:42:24 PM PST by piasa
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