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Orthodoxy and Parallel Monologues
First Things ^ | March 2002 | Richard John Neuhaus

Posted on 03/22/2002 4:04:11 PM PST by Wordsmith

Orthodoxy and “Parallel Monologues”

I don’t know how many of our subscribers are Orthodox Christians. But from those who are, we get frequent complaints that insufficient attention is paid that very large part of the Christian world. So here goes. The occasion is a remarkable address by Professor John H. Erickson of St. Vladimir Orthodox Seminary in Crestwood, New York, delivered at the National Workshop on Christian Unity, which met last year in San Diego, California. Erickson reports that in 1990 he opined, “The Berlin Wall fell in 1989 and with it, communism. With it also fell ecumenism as we have known it.”

The last decade, he believes, has only reinforced that judgment. The Orthodox churches of Georgia and Bulgaria have withdrawn from the World Council of Churches (WCC), and other churches are under pressure to withdraw. In 1997 at Georgetown University, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew spoke of Orthodoxy as being “ontologically different” from other churches. This is sometimes referred to as the “friends, brothers, heretics” speech. Patriarch Alexei II of Moscow remains adamantly opposed to the Pope’s visiting Russia, and his other visits have met with a very mixed reception. At St. Catherine’s Monastery on Mount Sinai joint prayer was carefully avoided; in Jerusalem Patriarch Diodorus made a point of noting that he had not prayed with the Pope. (But note that, as of this writing, there are signals that the Russian Church may be weakening in its opposition to a papal visit.)

Is it the case, as Samuel (Clash of Civilizations) Huntington has said, that ecumenism was a Cold War phenomenon that has given way to the stark division between the “West” and the “Orthodox” civilization of Russia and the Balkans? Erickson writes: “Some alarming questions arise. If the Orthodox mental world is so radically different from that of the West, what implications does this have for ecumenical relations, whether globally or here in North America? What implications does this have for people like me, who call themselves Orthodox Christians and belong to Orthodox churches, but who certainly are not only in the West but also in many respects of the West? From personal experience, I can tell you that the authenticity of our Orthodoxy increasingly is being questioned, both from abroad and here as well. And another, more far–reaching question also arises: Is ecumenism—like liberal democracy and for that matter communism—in fact simply a product of the West, one of its many ideologies, whose universal claims and aspirations will inevitably fail in the emerging world order, now that Western hegemony can no longer be taken for granted, now that the legitimating myths of the Enlightenment have lost their persuasive power?”

Already in the nineteenth century, some Orthodox reached out ecumenically, mainly to Anglicans and Old Catholics. Orthodox theologians were significantly involved in Faith and Order during the interwar period. When the WCC was formed in 1948, the Soviet regime required Orthodox leaders to condemn it as part of a Western plot, but that changed dramatically in 1961. “At the New Delhi assembly of the WCC in 1961, the Orthodox churches of Eastern Europe joined the WCC en masse. Their membership was advantageous for all concerned. In various ways Orthodox membership made the WCC itself more ‘ecumenical,’ more global, more sympathetic to the diversity of situations in which Christians struggle in their witness to the gospel. At the same time, membership gave the Orthodox churches in question an opportunity to be seen in the West and gain contacts in the West, thus also raising their status back home. And the price seemed negligible. The WCC itself from the 1960s onward was becoming ever more concerned about issues like racism, liberation, and economic justice; it was especially sensitive to the strivings of churches and peoples of what was then the ‘third world.’ The Orthodox churches of Eastern Europe could express concern about such issues with little risk of running afoul of the Communist authorities back home—and indeed they might benefit by contributing in this way to building up a good image for the Socialist states, and possibly even a cadre of fellow travelers.”

“Dialogue of Love”

At Vatican Council II, the Catholic Church became ecumenically assertive; soon mutual anathemas between East and West were consigned to the memory hole and a “dialogue of love” was proclaimed. With both Catholics and the WCC, the Orthodox produced promising ecumenical statements. “But on the Orthodox side at least,” says Erickson, “this ecumenism remained at the level of professional theologians and high Church dignitaries. For the faithful in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, ecumenism brought little more than the occasional photo of the Pope greeting a prominent hierarch, or of a long row of Orthodox bishops, all with their black klobuks and jeweled panaghias and crosses, seated prominently in a WCC assembly.”

Moreover, the dialogue of love had to cope with what the Orthodox call “uniatism.” “Uniate” or “Eastern Catholic” refers, of course, to those Christians in the East who retained their liturgy and other practices while entering into full communion with Rome, beginning with the Union of Brest in 1596. “Uniate” is a term that is eschewed in polite ecumenical discourse today, but the Orthodox have a long history of resentment against what they view as Catholic poachers on their ecclesiastical turf. Erickson: “Given this troubled history, it is understandable why the Orthodox churches have viewed ‘uniatism’ as a sign of Catholic hostility towards them, as an attempt to subvert them by dividing brother from brother, and as implicit denial of their own ecclesial status. And of course it is also understandable why Eastern Catholics have resented the Orthodox for their complacent acquiescence in the suppression of the Eastern Catholic churches following World War II.” He continues: “The term ‘uniate’ itself, once used with pride in the Roman communion, had long since come to be considered as pejorative. ‘Eastern Rite Catholic’ also was no longer in vogue because it might suggest that the Catholics in question differed from Latins only in the externals of worship. The council affirmed rather that Eastern Catholics constituted churches, whose vocation was to provide a bridge to the separated churches of the East. But if, as subsequent dialogue was emphasizing, the Orthodox churches themselves are truly ‘sister churches,’ already nearly at the point of full communion with the Roman Church, what rationale—apart from purely pastoral concern for Christians who might otherwise feel alienated and possibly betrayed—can there be for the continued existence of such ‘bridge churches’?”

Animus is exacerbated by the demand of Eastern Catholics that their property, expropriated by Stalin and given to the Orthodox, be returned. The demand that all property be returned (restitutio in integrum) is, says Erickson, unreasonable, at least in some cases, because of demographic and other changes over the years. Then there is the matter of “proselytism.” Not only Catholics but armies of Protestant evangelizers, mainly backed by the religious groups in the U.S., are, claim the Orthodox, failing to recognize that there is an indigenous Christianity in Russia and Eastern Europe. In what Erickson calls “ecumenism as we knew it,” the Orthodox acknowledged that, while Orthodoxy actualizes the one true Church, there was a possibility of dialogue with other churches aiming at greater unity and fuller communion. Erickson writes: “But not all Orthodox would agree with these assumptions. Some would take Orthodox claims to be the one true Church in an exclusive rather than an inclusive sense, so that outside the canonical limits of the Orthodox Church as we currently perceive them there is simply undifferentiated darkness, in which the Pope is no better than a witch doctor. How are we to evaluate these conflicting views? The exclusive view today claims to represent true Orthodoxy, traditional Orthodoxy. In fact—as I could argue at greater length—this ‘traditionalist’ view is a relatively recent phenomenon, basically an eighteenth–century reaction to the equally exclusive claims advanced by the Roman Catholic Church in that period. Nevertheless this view has gained wide currency over the last decade.”

Capitulation Charged

So who is pushing this very untraditional traditionalism? “What is important to note is that those most committed to the ‘traditionalism’ they preach are not pious old ethnics and émigrés but more often zealous converts to Orthodoxy. Like Western converts to Buddhism and other more or less exotic religions (New Age, Native American . . . ), these converts are attracted by their new faith’s spirituality, which seems so unlike what the West today has to offer. They also are especially quick to adopt those elements which they deem most distinctive, most anti–Western, about their new faith—not just prayer ropes and headcoverings but also an exclusive, sectarian view of the Church that in fact is quite at odds with historic Orthodoxy. Superficially their message, proclaimed on numerous websites, may seem to be at one with that of the established, ‘canonical’ Orthodox churches—at one with some of the statements of Patriarch Bartholomew or the Russian Orthodox Church, which, as we have seen, have been critical of the WCC and the Vatican. But in fact their message is different, even radically different. Their message, in my opinion, is more a product of the late–modern or postmodern West than an expression of historic Eastern Christianity. According to them, any participation in or involvement with the WCC or similar bodies represents a capitulation to the panheresy of ecumenism; Orthodoxy’s claim to be the one true Church is relativized, a ‘branch theory’ of the Church is tacitly accepted, and church canons against prayer with heretics are repeatedly violated in practice and in principle.”

Breakthrough—and Alarm

During centuries of polemics, Rome tended to present itself as “the Universal Church,” and the only thing for others to do was to come home to Rome. In an earlier time, East and West recognized one another as “sister churches,” and that understanding, especially on the part of Rome, is making a comeback, most notably with the pontificate of John Paul II. Erickson writes: “Significantly, the expression ‘sister church’ did not cease to be used for the Western Church even after full eucharistic communion ended. For example, in 1948 Patriarch Alexei I of Moscow—certainly no great friend of the Roman Catholic Church—nevertheless could refer to it as a ‘sister church.’ What is remarkable about the use of the expression since 1963, when Patriarch Athenagoras I and Pope Paul VI reintroduced it into modern Orthodox–Roman Catholic dialogue, is not that the Orthodox should use it with reference to the Roman Church but that Rome should use it with reference to the Orthodox churches. While the precise significance and practical implications of the expression have not been fully explored—it is not, after all, a technical term in canon law—it must be acknowledged that its use by modern popes represents a remarkable breakthrough in Orthodox–Catholic relations.”

It is precisely that breakthrough that alarms the untraditional traditionalists in Orthodoxy. Many of them, Erickson notes, are drawing their polemical ammunition from apocalyptic Protestant “Bible prophecy” sources on the Internet and elsewhere. Traditionalist Orthodox employ these sources to depict everything from the New World Order and the use of contraceptives and implanted microchips to the papal “Antichrist” as signs of the final catastrophe from which their version of Orthodoxy is the only refuge. This accent on the Orthodox difference, Erickson says, has undermined ecumenism “as we knew it.” “The modern self–confidence which gave rise to the ecumenical movement in the first place—confidence in the possibility of reaching agreement and achieving unity through dialogue, common reflection, and common action—has given way to postmodern self–doubt. We are in the midst of a radical decentering in which many new voices are clamoring for recognition—and on the religious scene this means not only traditionalists and fundamentalists but also contextual theologies of many sorts. In principle this decentering should help us appreciate diversity and facilitate dialogue. But this does not seem to be happening. Instead we seem to be entering the age of the parallel monologue. What counts are my own people, my own tradition, my own group, my own orientation. Those formed by other contexts may be tolerated or even honored with faint words of praise, but they are, as it were, ‘ontologically different’ (to quote Patriarch Bartholomew’s Georgetown speech once again). They are, for me, spiritually empty. No solid basis exists for dialogue, communication, and communion.”

What has happened to Orthodoxy and ecumenism is, of course, taking place within a cultural milieu in which all differences are fundamental, and fundamental differences are assumed to be insurmountable. Erickson reports, “Recently I was speaking to a Serbian Orthodox student from Bosnia Herzegovina. He kept insisting, ‘You here in the West just do not understand our situation.’ He really was saying, ‘You cannot understand our situation—so uniquely painful is it. You—in your very different situation—are incapable of understanding our situation.’ These days many people are saying much the same thing: women, gays, people of color, the poor, those marginalized in various ways, and even white males of the West whose position in the world now seems threatened. We are all tempted to say, ‘I am situated within a unique interpretive community. I have no need for dialogue with you or anyone else. Indeed, no basis exists for dialogue with you.’”

Waiting a Thousand Years

Erickson’s conclusion offers nought for our comfort: “We may still be convinced of the desirability of Christian unity. We may even be convinced of the need for Christian unity. But how convinced are we of the possibility of Christian unity? How many of us really believe that in Christ, crucified and risen, it is possible for us to overcome division, to understand each other’s situation, to make each other’s pain and joy our own? These are the some of the questions that face each of us involved in the ecumenical movement today.”

Erickson’s essay is remarkably candid and more than bracing. It goes a long way to explain the nonresponse, indeed hostility, of the Russian Church and others to the unprecedented initiatives of John Paul II. In the 1995 encyclical Ut Unum Sint (That They May be One), the Pope invited others to join in rethinking the function of the papal office itself, suggesting that reconciliation is more important than questions of jurisdiction. As one Orthodox theologian told me, “We’ve been waiting a thousand years for a pope to say what he is saying. Now this Pope has said it, and we act as though nothing has happened.”

It is safe to say that the dearest hope of this Pope for his pontificate has been ecclesial reconciliation with the Orthodox, so that, as he has often put it, “the Church may again breathe with both lungs, East and West.” It is also safe to say that such reconciliation will not happen on his watch. That is very sad. We must hope, however, that the initiatives taken since the Second Vatican Council (and there have also been constructive initiatives from the Orthodox side), combined with a revival of an authentically traditional ecclesiology among the Orthodox, will in the years to come move us beyond “ecumenism as we have known it,” and beyond “parallel monologues,” to the fulfillment of Our Lord’s prayer, Ut unum sint. For all the reasons that Prof. Erickson discusses, that seems at present to be a wan hope. But then, we Christians were long ago given our instructions, and warned that we would have to walk by faith and not by sight.


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To: Wordsmith
What is the current status of the relationship between these two?

If you mean on a local level, I think there are definitely some attempts at reaching out to each other.
We had a guest from Moscow last weekend and took him to liturgy with the OCA, then blini with the ROCOR. The Matushka at the ROCOR church told me she is trying to heal the division between the two.
There have been some events at the Russian Community Center in which both churches have participated.

101 posted on 03/24/2002 6:23:05 AM PST by MarMema
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To: american colleen
What is OCA? I see people post that they belong to it, but I have no idea what that means!

Orthodox Church in America.

102 posted on 03/24/2002 6:27:52 AM PST by MarMema
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To: american colleen
No, the Orthodox Church has not considered "modernizing". Not likely to either. Someone once said that there are two tracks for change in the Orthodox Church, the fast track and the slow track--the fast track takes 400 years.

Modernity as a cultural phenomenon (as distinct from progress in the sciences) is, from an Orthodox point of view, a rather unfortunate outcome of the schism of the Patriarchate of Rome from the Church and the subsequent history of Western Europe. We really have no interest in adapting to it, though we are quite happy to adapt it to the Faith.

I will leave you with a joke on the subject:

Q: How many Orthodox priests does it take to change a light bulb?

A: (Best delivered in a deep, rolling, Russian-accented voice) Change? Who said anything about change?

103 posted on 03/24/2002 11:13:40 AM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: The_Reader_David
Greetings on the Sunday Of Orthodoxy, Reader. Good to see you here.

Reader Athanasius

104 posted on 03/24/2002 11:21:59 AM PST by don-o
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To: FormerLib
Actually, if the only thing non-Orthodox about the Unitates is the acceptance of the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, it is actually an interesting comment on how little essential doctrines of the Faith actually means to the Latins. The purported second procession of the Holy Spirit, the purported immaculate conception of the Blessed Virgin and Theotokos Mary, the purported infallibility of the Bishop of Rome on certain matters under certain circumstances, the "doctrine" of purgatory, the legalistic distinction between mortal and venial sins, the purported superiority of the Bishop of Rome to the Holy Ecumenical Councils, the rejection by the Latins of the patristic understanding of the Uncreated Divine energies and consequent differences in soteriology all separate the Latins from the Orthodox.

If the Uniates share our position on all of these but the Roman papacy is willing to have them in their communion, it seems to me an open and shut case against union with Rome even if the obnoxious papal claims were all dropped--if one takes the Faith once delivered to the saints so lightly that one sees no difference between the Latin position and the Orthodox on these matters, one can hardly be said to share the faith of the Orthodox. This is always the Orthodox criterion for union with other confessions: do they profess the Orthodox Faith?

105 posted on 03/24/2002 11:29:23 AM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: american colleen
Has the Orthodox Church ever contemplated "modernizing" like the Catholic Church did via Vatican II?

There are definitely some Orthodox that would do so, however out hierarchy is very much against it. One benefit, I believe, of selecting our Bishops from the monastic orders.

If not, has there been a call for modernization from any of the different Orthodox Churches?

There was some earlier in the 20th Century from the Greek Church which culminated in them, and a few others, adopting the Revised Julian or New Calendar (largely indistinguishable from the Gregorian). This created a division in Orthodoxy that has yet to heal (although all of the Patriarchates remain in communion despite that).

How have you withstood change?

Part of that answer lies in the fact that the Orthodox Church has only limited exposure to the rapidly changing culture in the West. There just has been less demand for change. A big part of it is observing what has happened within the Roman Catholic Church since Vatican II. Simply put, we don't want to go through that.

Last question: What is OCA?

The OCA (or Orthodox Church in America) was part of the Russian Orthodox Church, the first one in America, that was granted autocephaly by their mother church around 1970. This means that no foreign Bishop has any authority over any of the Bishops of the OCA. However, only a few of the foreign bishops have officially recognized the status of the OCA since that would mean that any of their Churches within the Americas would be under the authority of the OCA Bishops.

To make a long story short, this is a remnant of the chaos that Communist oppression of the Orthodox Church caused. In the life of the church, the 30 years since this occurred is as nothing. Eventually, the OCA will be recognized by other Partriarches which will result in all of them granting recognition.

OCA churches are primarily English speaking churches but there are some parishes with a Russian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Serbian, or Albanian history.

106 posted on 03/24/2002 11:53:18 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: The_Reader_David
From what I've been able to learn about the Eastern Rite Churches, everything that you mentioned is negotiable except for the Primacy of the Pope.

That really brings all discussion to a very fine point, does it not?

107 posted on 03/24/2002 11:56:25 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Wordsmith
What is the current status of the relationship between these two? I would think that post-communism they would be getting closer to reconciliation. Any hope of that?

It really is only a matter of time, I believe. Similar to the situation with the division in the Serbian Church that was healed when Pavle was named Patriarch, the final healing will probably occur with Alexy II's successor.

108 posted on 03/24/2002 11:59:35 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
Ah, well if the Pope of Rome becomes Orthodox, he is, by right the chief bishop of Christendom. The problem is really two fold:
109 posted on 03/24/2002 1:31:36 PM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: Wordsmith
I’m hoping to find out if there is any interest in traditionalist Christians – especially fellow Orthodox, Catholics, and Anglicans – having a regular discussion about issues related to our respective faiths. In light of the soul-searching that many Roman Catholics are now doing because of the current scandal, I thought that a cross-confessional dialogue might be a welcome relief.

Thanks for the ping, Wordy. I'd like very much to be part of a discussion like this. I'll try to catch up on the posts so far .. hope this one doesn't move as fast as that other thread or I won't be able to keep up.

110 posted on 03/25/2002 4:40:53 AM PST by trad_anglican
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To: trad_anglican
I'll try to catch up on the posts so far .. hope this one doesn't move as fast as that other thread or I won't be able to keep up.

I'd rather a slower moving thread with thought-out answers and a few dedicated participants as well. We'll see what happens. Look forward to hearing from you. God Bless!

111 posted on 03/25/2002 5:27:48 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: ThomasMore
The Primacy of Peter and the Petrine Office

Hello, TM. Would love to hear a couple of thumbnails on the topic since you've devoted some intensive time to it, if you get the chance. God Bless!

112 posted on 03/25/2002 5:29:44 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: don-o
"The Bishop of Rome has never nor shall ever make an infallible statement."

ACK! A papal paradox puzzle! :)

If a Pope infallibly declares that he's not infallible, where would that leave us?

113 posted on 03/25/2002 5:31:42 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: american colleen
Has the Orthodox Church ever contemplated "modernizing" like the Catholic Church did via Vatican II?

I don't think we've been tempted to, since we've always been open to local languages and the Latin issue seems to an outsider like me to have been the biggest impetus for the RC modernization. We have some internal tensions over modernization issues, but they're minor compared to the RCC - things like pews in Church, iconography and Church art styles, beards for clergy, degree of involvement allowed in secular culture, that sort of thing.

If not, has there been a call for modernization from any of the different Orthodox Churches?

Some Orthodox jurisdictions are more open to minor "modernization" than others. There have been internal Orthodox schisms over modernization issues - the biggest of which involves the calendar. The so-called "Old Calenderists" split from the main body of the Orthodox when we moved to the Western calendar for much of our Liturgical reckoning. But these "ultra Orthodox" groups tend to be very small.

How have you withstood change?

IMO, by keeping "first things first," never being open to debate about core issues of the faith, while at the same time perhaps being more flexible than the RCC on issues of less significance.

Last question: What is OCA?

The Orthodox Church of America. Super-condensed version of the story: Orthodoxy came to America with missionaries and immigrants from multiple Orthodox Patriarchates (Greece, Russia, the Middle East, etc.) These groups each maintained allegiance to the Patriarchs of their homelands. This is completely unacceptable from a canonical perspective, or any valid Orthodox perspective, because it has led to overlap - multiple bishops for the same territory, i.e. both a Greek-affiliated and a Russian-affiliated bishop for Boston.

The bishops in America continue to meet and discuss how to fix this situation. Old World politics complicates things. The Russians were the ones who started in America the way its supposed to be done, by sending missionaries to places like Alaska and California in the 19th century. The Russian-affiliated Orthodox asked their parent Church, the Moscow Patriarch, for independence. It was granted, and the Russian-affiliated Church in America changed its name to "OCA" to reflect the fact that it was no longer bound to Russia. But the Orthodox affiliated to other Old World parishes didn't recognize this independence. Very sad, very confusing, and in the end pretty meaningless. We'll eventually get to the point where there is a unified American Orthodox Church. My bishop yesterday asked our forgiveness for the inability of the bishops to make this happen yet. But its coming.

114 posted on 03/25/2002 5:47:07 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: MarMema
We had a guest from Moscow last weekend and took him to liturgy with the OCA, then blini with the ROCOR. The Matushka at the ROCOR church told me she is trying to heal the division between the two. There have been some events at the Russian Community Center in which both churches have participated.

Wonderful! We have some great cross-jurisdictional work being done in our area, including an Orthodox nursing home supported jointly by all the regional parishes. But we're all in communion, so the Eucharist unites us.

I'm not familiar with what kind of episcopal dialogue is going on between the ROCOR and the OCA, or the MP. Hopefully something. Seems like a potential unifier are the saints, especially since both parties have canonized St. John Maximovitch (I think), and he was ROCOR.

I heard this weekend that the Ecumenical Patriarch came on a private visit to Boston a few weeks ago, and said that the time for Orthodox unity in America still hasn't arrived. Sad.

115 posted on 03/25/2002 5:51:48 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: The_Reader_David
If the Uniates share our position on all of these but the Roman papacy is willing to have them in their communion...

Now that you point it out, this is fascinating. Do the Uniates (or whatever we're supposed to call them - Eastern Rite Catholics?) actually proclaim the foundational Orthodox doctrines with which the RCC disagrees?!? And if they do, what is Rome's perspective on how then the two bodies can be in communion?

116 posted on 03/25/2002 5:55:30 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Wordsmith
Good morning, and thank you for the flag. Although we are beginning the start of Holy Week in the West and I will temporarily be keeping my participation on FR to a minimum, I wanted to express my willingness to participate, as well as extend my congratulations on your having attracted such a thoughtful delegation of posters.

May the peace of Christ be with you all, today and always.

117 posted on 03/25/2002 6:48:02 AM PST by eastsider
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To: eastsider
A blessed Holy Week to you and all of your fellow Roman Catholic Freepers! God Bless, and may you persevere and proclaim the Truth: CHRIST IS RISEN!
118 posted on 03/25/2002 6:58:32 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: John Robinson; Jim Robinson
Honorable Leaders! When convenient, could you please move this thread to the new "Religion" forum? Thank you!

Freeper Wordsmith

119 posted on 03/25/2002 12:19:00 PM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Wordsmith
The Lord is My Shepherd
120 posted on 03/26/2002 4:34:53 PM PST by Wordsmith
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