[HairOfTheDog]

That had not happened yet, or was not yet known, when the conversation you condemn took place!

[Overtaxed]

That had not happened yet, or was not yet known, when the conversation you condemn took place!

Then movie-Elrond was dumber than book-Elrond! Refugees from the South had been moving north up the Greenway and there's unrest going on all around before Frodo gets to Rivendell (I'd link ecurbh's timeline if I could find it!)