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To: Overtaxed
ElfBash!

I don't consider it bashing. Elrond had every reason to be pissed, since the intervening 3000 years could have been a golden age for both humans and elves. He's seen more grief than any human could comprehend. He also has the best idea of the dire consequences of failure this time.

And I don't think Jackson is too off-base with his treatment of Aragorn. He's also telling a story for people who may have never heard of Tolkien, and don't know what to expect. Jackson has only about 12 hours (assuming extra materials in later DVDs) to tell the story, and there have to be some changes and alterations somewhere. Actually, I can't think of another book that has been made into a film so faithfully. It's not perfect, but who can claim to do better?

32,271 posted on 10/09/2002 8:37:59 PM PDT by 300winmag
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To: 300winmag; Wordsmith; Bear_in_RoseBear
I agree with you, winmag....

I have heard others say the same thing about Aragorn being too self-doubting, but I read a lot of doubt and uncertainty in Aragorn when I read the books.... it is a transformation indeed, from Ranger to King in six hours.....

I think Aragorn was very well done so far.... a competent enough leader, but untested, unsure...

And I see a change already in him in the trailer for TTT...

And I always liked Elrond... I found him to be wise and serious... it is a serious time. Not a jolly elf time.

Call me a PJ-Bot.... I love every judgment he made,
(except Galadriel the ghoul!) But one has to take a potty break at some point, doesn't one?
32,272 posted on 10/09/2002 8:51:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 300winmag
Welcome to the Hobbit Hole!

I agree with you, so far Peter Jackson has done a wonderful job of adapting the book to the movie. But, I think even those of us who like the adaptation have favorite little things from the book that we think didn't get translated quite right... ;)
32,274 posted on 10/09/2002 8:53:42 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 300winmag; Corin Stormhands; Sam Cree; 2Jedismom; RosieCotton
Good Morning all!

Are we ready for a little Elrond ...criticism?

I don't consider it bashing. Elrond had every reason to be pissed, since the intervening 3000 years could have been a golden age for both humans and elves.

You'd think that in 3000 years Elrond would have learned the wisdom of accepting people the way they are with their weaknesses as well as their strengths. After all, there's nothing he can do to change human nature. So the movie Elrond has doomed himself to a lifetime of being pissed. I guess Elrond must be pissed at Illuvatar for making men that way and for giving them a free will.

32,289 posted on 10/10/2002 5:36:57 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 300winmag
Actually, I can't think of another book that has been made into a film so faithfully. It's not perfect, but who can claim to do better?

Welcome to you, too! I agree completely. This is one of the greatest movie adaptations of all time, being extremely faithful to the books within the necessary constraints of time, etc... Our quibbles with characterizations and such are just minor in the big picture.

32,337 posted on 10/10/2002 6:44:51 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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