[RosieCotton]

OK, this doesn't have much to do with what you've already said, but while we're in rant mode...

One thing conservatives seem to forget is that basically everyone is out there trying to do what they think is good and right. In order to change behavior, you have to change what people SEE as good and right, and if you start out by calling everything they believe in evil and wrong, more than likely they won't want to even listen to you any more.

Rational arguments work a lot better than childish "you're wrong and I'm right and you're stupid and I'm smart!" ravings.

[HairOfTheDog]

Very much agree! - That is what I am trying to say too.

Calling people evil, who don't see themselves as evil, makes them walk away, and go tell two friends how weird and wacked we are.